TWF Hafling (12F/6B/2R)

[Anderei]

Having now leveled a few toons, i realize non of 'em is really a good DPS. I would like to have a DPS toon too (for shrouds and the such). I searched the forums and Archon seems to be a good tip, therefore I based the level setup on this. But honestly, I don't like to play a WF myself (I dont mind ones in groups tough!), I love the halflings, so since doing the halfling with free Dex, TWF seems much cheaper here than THF (atlough a halfling swinging a greatsword sounds cool :-)

Build is without items and enhancements.

12 Fighter \ 6 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue
Hit Points: 306 (without yet +6 con item / minas tough!)
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 13
Will: 6

Strength 16 + 5 Levelups + 2 Tome
Dexterity 15 + 2 Tome (this tome is a must for GTWF)
Constitution 16 + 2 Tome
Intelligence 9 + 1 Tome (this too at lvl 3, for skills)
Wisdom 8
Charisma 8 + 2 Tome

Skills: spread on rogue skills on level 1, otherwise max out UMD and Intimititate, a reasonable jump, rest to balance.

Feats:
Level 1 (Rogue): Toughness
Level 2 (Fighter): Two Weapon Fighting
Level 3 (Fighter): Power Attack, Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Level 4 (Fighter):
Level 5 (Fighter): Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Level 6 (Fighter): Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Level 7 (Fighter): Power Critical
Level 8 (Fighter):
Level 9 (Fighter): Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons, Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 10 (Rogue): [Auto, Evasion]
Level 11 (Fighter):
Level 12 (Fighter): Greater Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Level 13 (Fighter):
Level 14 (Fighter): Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Level 15 (Barbarian): Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh, [Auto: Fast Movement, Rage]
Level 16 (Barbarian): [Auto Damage Reduction, Uncanny Dodge]
Level 17 (Barbarian): [Auto Trap Sense]
Level 18 (Barbarian):
Level 19 (Barbarian): [Auto: Improved Uncanny Dodge]
Level 20 (Barbarian)

So, helpful feedback?

I might TR my 19/1 rogue assasin into this instead of starting a new one, so I'd put in another point dex, and another int (and use a +2 tome for more skills)

[Runaway]

Power critical is a wasted feat. You can take Khopesh proficiency early instead. You need cleave if you want to use barbarian berserker (and even if you don't intent to use it right now, changing enhancements is easier than feats, so if you have feats lying around ...). You still have 1 unused feat after cleave.

Personally I would swap Greater Weapon Focus and Improved Critical around.


And last, the thing that irks me about your build is that I can't find a single good reason as to why you want to make it a halfling:
You don't take the dragonmarks and you won't have great AC anyhow. In exchange you spent way more ability points than any other race to reach 16 strength, that exchange doesn't seem worth it. 16 strength and 15 dexterity costs 21 ability points to halflings, 18 to every other race.

Imo both human and dwarf (+ warforge ) would work better than halfling for your build. Both have their own merits. There's something to say for elves as well. Dwarfs and humans would bring other extras that do work with your build. With elves you could drop the Khopesh feat and you'd have 2 leftover feats.

edit: if you swap Oversized Two Weapon Fighting (you won't miss it much) and don't take cleave, then you would have 3 leftover feats. Enough to take all 3 of the dragonmarks on the halfling.

[Goldeneye]

• Drop Power Critical
• Change Race
• Compare Frenzy vs. Tempest (Ranger will get +10% speed, ram's might, favored enemy damage, many shot) - Frenzy might still be better though

Otherwise, looks pretty good

[Anderei]

Thx for the feedback, yes the order of the feats is a little strange, I rolled this as lvl 4 now and I took e.g. kopesh at lvl 3. (but didnt go far yet)

If it wouldn't be halfling, strength would be 18, wouldn't put the other 3 buildpoints otherwhere, yes this means -1 damage and -1 to attack compared to other races. IMHO the halfling can compensate the damage loss with +4 flanking bonus (at least on raids when she might not have the aggro on her), and halfling luck to get up the will saves somewhat.

I planned on barb berserker, so thx for pointing out that, I will definitely exchange powercritical with cleave then!

When not taking OTW, put a handaxe into the offhand? Or just live with the attack penality with two kopeshes?

[Runaway]

Just live with the (minor) attack penalty for 2 heavy weapons.

As a kensai fighter you will have very good attack anyhow: full BAB, weapon focus, kensai enhancements and high strength. -2 attack won't make the difference imo.

[Anderei]

Just live with the (minor) attack penalty for 2 heavy weapons.

As a kensai fighter you will have very good attack anyhow: full BAB, weapon focus, kensai enhancements and high strength. -2 attack won't make the difference imo.

Yes thank you. I will do that. At the low levels I'll use a handaxe tough, since on elite I sometimes have trouble to hit stuff, and this reduces DPS quite somewhat.
Still have some time to figure what best doing with the feat, since needing cleave for barb rage I, I only have 1 free feat from the dropped powercritical (or 2 if I drop the greater weapon focus), so not the 3 to make useful use of the dragonmarks (and she'll have UMD eitherway)

Currently tending to stunning blow.

[maddmatt70]

I like halfing for this build so I disagree with these other posters. This is a very solid build concept with excellent burst dps and really is one of the strongest 10 min between shrines dps build. If you want dps you will find it with this build. I actually prefer this build over a 12 fighter 6 ranger 2 rogue at the moment or at least they are very close to each other.

Obviously drop power critical. You have a couple of different options featwise: 1. is a basic 2 more toughness feats, 2. stunning blow and then another feat such iron will or toughness. 3. drop overvised two weapon fighting as well and pick up the three halfling dragonmark feats. I am not sure what makes the most sense to you i.e. what you are trying to do with your build.

[Anderei]

really is one of the strongest 10 min between shrines dps build. [...] what you are trying to do with your build.

Thank you! Yes, This (and most of the good stuff is "stolen" from the archon build)

Obviously drop power critical. You have a couple of different options featwise: 1. is a basic 2 more toughness feats, 2. stunning blow and then another feat such iron will or toughness. 3. drop overvised two weapon fighting as well and pick up the three halfling dragonmark feats. I am not sure what makes the most sense to you i.e. what you are trying to do with your build.

I think I'll go with cleave (for barb prestige) and stunning blow. Iron will might make a lot of sense considering the low will saves (however there are +3 coming in from halfling luck enhancements). And of course toughness is never an error Yesterday I played through level 4 and had a blast already! Group insisted to go on elite through the catacombs, I thought why not the silverflame favor doesnt hurt. At the big endfight on elite the whole other party was dead, yet this toon turtleing was swinging and swining and finishing it. (Altough yes at these levels she still can tank well, this will drop for DPS at higher levels)

[maddmatt70]

I think I'll go with cleave (for barb prestige) and stunning blow. Iron will might make a lot of sense considering the low will saves (however there are +3 coming in from halfling luck enhancements). And of course toughness is never an error Yesterday I played through level 4 and had a blast already! Group insisted to go on elite through the catacombs, I thought why not the silverflame favor doesnt hurt. At the big endfight on elite the whole other party was dead, yet this toon turtleing was swinging and swining and finishing it. (Altough yes at these levels she still can tank well, this will drop for DPS at higher levels)

Whoops on the cleave I forget about the barb prestige enhancement requirements. Stunning blow and cleave is what I would do as well good call.

In regards to builds my perspective is to have a build like this which is designed for burst dps or quests with many shrines and to have a dps build which is designed for shrines every 20-30 minutes example is level 20 barbarian or level 20 ranger. I personally have a 12 fighter 6 ranger 2 rogue which is a good burst dps for 10 minutes between shrines, a level 20 fighter which is about 15 min or less between shrines and a strength based level 20 ranger which is designed for 40-60 min or so between shrines dps.