AC/Hater (36pt)

[evilnatas]

*less of a "hey this build is neat let me walk you through it" and more of a "hey check this out, any screw ups? suggestions?"*

preface: I am currently about a million xp off of my 2nd tr and am looking to roll a hate tank for my final 36 point build. i've been bouncing around a few build ideas and this one is on the top of my list.

concept: highest possible realistic ac for a viable hate tank. (not particularily able to out hate the highest dps build, but able to generate enough hate to justify dps/hate loss for ac).

class setup: 12monk-7pally-1ranger

initial thoughts: divine righteousness is what will make this build a hate tank,pally6.12monk 1pally 1ranger for optimal ac after aquiring divine righteousness(?).

stats-

base:
STR : 12
DEX : 18
CON : 14
INT : 11
WIS : 16
CHA : 09

tank mode/kamas lvl 20 (for wraps -3 wis, added +3 tome for a round wis while using wraps):

STR : 22 + 6 enh + 2 tome + 2 defender
DEX : 40 + 7 enh + 3 insight + 3 wind(3) + 2 racial + 2 tome + 5 ranks
CON : 22 + 6 enh + 2 tome - 2 wind + 2 defender
INT : 13 + 2 tome
WIS : 31 + 6 enh + 3 insight + 3 tome + 3 monk - 2 wind + 2 defender
CHA : 19 + 6 enh + 2 tome + 2 pally

AC-

10 Base
10 (31)WIS
15 (40)DEX
03 Monk
04 icy
04 Insight
01 Ritual
03 chattering Ring
01 dodge feat
05 Combat Expertise
05 Deflection
08 armor bracers
01 Size
01 Two Weapon Defense
03 pally bulwark of good II
02 defender of siberys I
04 shield
01 haste
03 barkskin
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84 self buff kama:CE mode (85FE)
79 self buff kama:no combat stance/pa mode (80FE)
79 self buff wraps:CE mode (80FE)
74 self buff wraps:no combat stance/pa mode (75FE)
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02 full Pally aura
04 Bard
02 recitation
02 full ranger bark
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94 full buff kama: CE mode (95FE)
89 full buff kama(no combat stance/pa) mode (90FE)
89 full buff wraps: CE mode (90FE)
84 full buff wraps: no combat stance/pa mode (85FE)
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*kama's are both mineral 2, holy/wisdom 3 and holy/acid burst/insight


hp-


363 base(toughness+enhancements)
60 +6 enhancement
10 gh favor
45 shroud
30 Greater false life
20 minos
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528 total
508 -2nd toughness feat
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saves-

reflex:
will:
fort:


dps/hate-

the only thing really holding me back from firming up gear/enhancements/race/really the entire build is a determination of potential hate generation in the different combat modes. without doing any math, just looking at the build i feel it should work out fine as is. but having a solid hate total for each combat mode would be nice (ie I need x ammount of seconds before burn so i can generate x ammount of hate on a target taking x amount of hp's from a target with x ammount of hp's). my eyes kind of gloss over when i look at dps charts/% and things. but i'll see what i can do about getting some numbers in here.


dps: smites(#?,90sec refresh) + divine sacrafice(3 sec) + touch of death (15 seconds) + 7.5%insight from wind stance + unarmored(wrap mode)
*could squeeze some dps tod rings in wrap mode at the cost of ac if need be.
*also have extra toughness could replace with past life monk for past life feat(2d8>2d6) or imp crit bludgeon, whichever would net highest increase.

hate: divine righteousness(100%)+defender stance(50%)
*9ish turn undeads
*could squeege another 10% off with tod set item at the cost of ac if need be.

to hit:

-self buff: base 18+15 dex+4 epic spectral+4 greater heroism+1 divine favor+1 haste = 43
-kama: 43+5 weapon = 48/48/53/58
-wraps: +1/+8Gbane = 44/44/49/54-52/52/57/62

-full buff:43+ 2 recitation = 45
-kama: 45 + 5 weapon = 50/50/55/60
-wraps:+1/+8Gbane = 46/46/51/56-54/54/59/64

to damage:

-self buff:+6 strength+1 divine favor+1 monk past life=8
-kama:8+5 weapon=13 (14FE)
-wraps:+1/+8Gbane = 9(10FE)-16(17FE)

-full buff:8+9 bard=17
-kama:17+5 weapon = 22(23FE)
-wraps:+1/+8Gbane = 18(19FE)-25(26FE)

avg damage per swing:

-self buff: 8

-kama:
PA:

-wraps:
PA:

-full buff: 17

-kama:
PA:

-wraps:
PA:

swings per minute:

-self buff: haste+wind3

-kama:
-wraps:

-full buff:

-kama:
-wraps:

avg damage per minute:*weapons-weapon affects-divine sacrafice-smite-touch of death-ki attacks-etc.

-self buff:

-kama:
PA:

-wraps:

PA:

-full buff:

-kama:

PA:

-wraps:

PA:


Tank mode chart: this will give me a good idea of my ac/dps/hate ratios, and relitave usefullness in different stances/weapon sets. all tanking modes are in wind 3 stance and defender stance.



self buff kama:CE mode 84ac(85FE) to hit:43 dps:? hate:?

self buff kama:no combat stance/PA mode 79ac(80FE) to hit:48/44 dps:? hate:?

self buff wraps:CE mode 79ac(80FE) to hit:39-47 dps:? hate:?

self buff wraps:no combat stance/PA mode 74ac(75FE) to hit:44-52/40-48 dps:? hate:?

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full buff kama: CE mode 94ac(95FE) to hit:45 dps:? hate:?

full buff kama: no combat stance/PA mode 89ac(90FE) to hit:50/46 dps:? hate:?

full buff wraps: CE mode 89ac(90FE) to hit:? dps:? hate:?

full buff wraps: no combat stance/PA mode 84ac(85FE) to hit:? dps:? hate:?







gear-

*pretty loose gear setup, just stuck stuff in to fit profile.
*may need to change some things at the cost of ac to up hate/hp.

finger: nyoko's band(wis6 exceptional dex 3)
finger: chattering ring/eye of the beholder/djinn
neck: oremi's necklace(con6 +1ki on hit)/silver flame
helm: minos (hvy fort+toughness)
wrist: armor +8
boots: ff/strider/golden/firestorm/spiked/etc
trinket: bloodstone/bloodrage/hogf
belt: belt of brute strength (str 6+gfl)
goggles:gs 45 hp prot 5
cloak:cha??
gloves: epic spectral gloves (Ethereal, Dexterity +7, Attack Bonus +4)

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  rotbert 
Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(7 Paladin \ 12 Monk \ 1 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 363
Spell Points: 196 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 23
Will: 19

                   Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            18                    27
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         11                    13
Wisdom               16                    22
Charisma              9                    13

  Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20

                   Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    12
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         6                    32
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                     1
Heal                  3                     6
Hide                  4                    10
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  5                    22
Listen                3                     8
Move Silently         4                    10
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     1
Spot                  7                    10
Swim                  1                     2
Tumble                6                    31
Use Magic Device      1                    12.5

 Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin


      Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse


   Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


    Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Philosophy - Path of Inevitable Domination


   Level 5 (Monk)


  Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


   Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


   Level 8 (Paladin)


  Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


   Level 10 (Paladin)


  Level 11 (Paladin)


  Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense


   Level 13 (Paladin)


  Level 14 (Paladin)


  Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


   Level 16 (Monk)


  Level 17 (Monk)


  Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


   Level 19 (Monk)


  Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose III
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Fists of Darkness
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III

feats just thrown in kind of random. enhancements will remain pretty much same when i pick up touch of death

[Nyvn]

So what exactly is the ranger level doing for you?

[evilnatas]

So what exactly is the ranger level doing for you?

1 favored ac, 1 favored damage, sprint boost, skill boost

[Nyvn]

Ah, I see.

[BlackSteel]

if you want to 'hate tank' then picking a different race would keep you on top.

the WF brute fighting line will give you a flat percent boost to hate on all attacks that will work with your palidan abilities.

for an already refined build check out the Hurtlocker by darkstar

high caliber damage with good saves and ac and all the hate tanking abilities you could want

[evilnatas]

if you want to 'hate tank' then picking a different race would keep you on top.

the WF brute fighting line will give you a flat percent boost to hate on all attacks that will work with your palidan abilities.

for an already refined build check out the Hurtlocker by darkstar

high caliber damage with good saves and ac and all the hate tanking abilities you could want

yes i am familliar with the wf brute fighting line its a great enhancement! actually 2 of the 4 builds i'm concidering utilize it. one of which shares the same exact class makeup as this thread's build.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(7 Paladin \ 12 Monk \ 1 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 410
Spell Points: 118 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 18
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         16                    19
Intelligence         11                    13
Wisdom               12                    17
Charisma              7                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                     8
Bluff                -2                     0
Concentration         7                    32
Diplomacy            -2                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                     0
Heal                  1                     3
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate           -2                     0
Jump                  7                    23
Listen                1                     3
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     1
Spot                  5                     7
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                5                    26.5
Use Magic Device      0                    11.5

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Philosophy - Path of Inevitable Domination


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Fists of Darkness
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II

except its str based and has noticably lower ac than the build in this thread. I havn't done much figuring on it yet tho, kinda want to get a ac/hate ratio going with the build in this thread before i move on to the next one.


the reason i chose halfling for this build was for the +1 size bonus to ac, cheap 18 dex, and 2 racial dex. i'm not particularily concerned with being on top of the hate game, thats not what this build is about. my current goals here are #1 ac and #2 hate.

[evilnatas]

* added some melle #'s and fixed a couple things.

running some preliminary hate numbers i'm getting around (roughly) 225-325 hate/second with the different combat modes with only weapons/weapon effects. using http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/ddo/ . and thats assuming that divine righteousness and def stance hate mods add. no clue.

I have a feeling most of the questions i have about this build will be answered best by just leveling it up. ^ those hate numbers give me enough to take the plunge i think.

I would love some criticism on the build concept/playability tho, anybody running around endgame with a close ac to this have any comments suggestions? i'm pretty unfamilliar with the current ddo endgame.