Melee dps raid build

[HarveyMilk]

My guild needs high melee dps with survivability, so I'm thinking about getting a new toon going.

I started a wf monster (12ftr/6rng/2mnk) and it was seriously fun.

But I'm wondering if there's a better high dps/survivability build out there, or if this is really the optimal one.

Thanks all!

[Sweyn]

If you want a high DPS, and high survivability, try this build out

Exploiter ranger, 18/1/1 ranger/rogue/monk

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=168687

[hydra_ex]

The monster's pretty optimal.

[Shade]

For raid tanking and dps the best way to go in pure Barbarian.
Dwarf: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=116814
Warforged: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199947

Fighters and Rangers just don't have the hp or dr to tank the hardest elite raids.

[valorik]

For raid tanking and dps the best way to go in pure Barbarian.
Dwarf: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=116814
Warforged: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199947

Fighters and Rangers just don't have the hp or dr to tank the hardest raids.

/signed fighters and rangers get an automatic hitpoint and dr reduction that makes them utterly unable to get the 20 from DoD or 10 from stoneskin, and the toughness enhancement lines and madstone just aren't available to them.

[hydra_ex]

For raid tanking and dps the best way to go in pure Barbarian.
Dwarf: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=116814
Warforged: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199947

Fighters and Rangers just don't have the hp or dr to tank the hardest raids.

Tolero? Can you please just give Shade and Aexeyu the forum title "Flame Bait" already?

[Hellmoob]

/signed fighters and rangers get an automatic hitpoint and dr reduction that makes them utterly unable to get the 20 from DoD or 10 from stoneskin, and the toughness enhancement lines and madstone just aren't available to them.

Barbarian rage / constitution sure aren't. As both a healer and a "squishy" DPS, I'd rather have a barb on aggro duty for Horoth, Judge/Sulu and DQ Epic than any other class.

[valorik]

I play 3 healers a squishy dps and a tank build, I have personally seen a cleric tank tower of despair hard, a paladin tank him on elite, and a fighter tank epic dq, and I would any day pick the paladin or fighter over a barb, and I've healed a LOT of tods.

[hydra_ex]

Barbarian rage / constitution sure aren't. As both a healer and a "squishy" DPS, I'd rather have a barb on aggro duty for Horoth, Judge/Sulu and DQ Epic than any other class.

My bard's tanked Sally before. Probably because it was a shortman guild run and I was the only WF in the group.

The only time when I'd rather have a barbarian tanking than anyone else is Epic DQ, and even then, a well geared out fighter can do the same.

You're a crappy healer if having a barbarian tank makes that much of a difference to you.

[sirgog]

My bard's tanked Sally before. Probably because it was a shortman guild run and I was the only WF in the group.

The only time when I'd rather have a barbarian tanking than anyone else is Epic DQ, and even then, a well geared out fighter can do the same.

You're a crappy healer if having a barbarian tank makes that much of a difference to you.

Is it just me that prefers healing human monk tanks in everything except Epic DQ2 (where I prefer a human barb or a WF barb with DoD)?

I've tanked Elite Sally temporarily on my Clr18/Ftr2 after the ****tard tank kept dying in the pit of spikes in the middle. I strongly encourage others to try that, it was fun

[LeLoric]

For raid tanking and dps the best way to go in pure Barbarian.
Dwarf: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=116814
Warforged: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199947

Fighters and Rangers just don't have the hp or dr to tank the hardest raids.

hmmm I should just delete my fighter who tanked epic dq tonight on a 12 min run then.

[Shade]

hmmm I should just delete my fighter who tanked epic dq tonight on a 12 min run then.

A) "tanked" is a very relative term in that raid, that reall means nothing. The players that make it happe are the ones that deal the damage to her, not anyone else. Don't kid yourself. If your really epic, you can run around in a circle and avoid a very slow moving marelith.
B) I agree. If you "tanked" a boss with totally random agro, you probably used intimidate, in which case you were a waste of a party slot as it can be done in 3 minuits instead of 12 without it.

[Shade]

I play 3 healers a squishy dps and a tank build, I have personally seen a cleric tank tower of despair hard, a paladin tank him on elite, and a fighter tank epic dq, and I would any day pick the paladin or fighter over a barb, and I've healed a LOT of tods.

Then we agree.
You healed A LOT of ToD, and never in the history of that have every seen a fighter or ranger tank elite. That's all I said above, and your statement matches it.

This isn't flames. And it isn't rocket science. Anyone who tries to argue the ultra simple concept of that class that gets the highest DPS and HP makes for the best raid tank has brain issues.

Most other mmo's balance it out by making the high DPS classes squishy with lower hp then other classes. DnD rules don't.. Thus the answer is simple.

Also I said nothing about paladins, clerics or any other class not being able to tank elite raids. My statement was fighters and rangers, and so far everyone in the this thread can't deny it.

[Shade]

Tolero? Can you please just give Shade and Aexeyu the forum title "Flame Bait" already?

Think your more deserving of the title.

I just posted a simple accurate answer to the OP question. Nothing inflamatory about it.

[uhgungawa]

My guild needs high melee dps with survivability, so I'm thinking about getting a new toon going.

I started a wf monster (12ftr/6rng/2mnk) and it was seriously fun.

But I'm wondering if there's a better high dps/survivability build out there, or if this is really the optimal one.

Thanks all!

The Monster or exploiter are the way to go. You don't want the Axer party style for the most part, the make up works but finding that many healers and casters with no other melees would be an issue.

Axer party make up

1 Axer
1 Bard
1 other melee (optional)
6 Healers (all trying to keep Axer up)
3 Casters

It's all about the Axer

[Feylina]

Comes down to 3 slots imo in regards to raids

DPS - Non tanking situation. In raids survivability is a non issue. 500 hp + is more than enough as your healers will be mass healing to keep up your lowest hp party members not the highest. Lots of good dps builds out there. 2h barbs, fighters, pallys or twf barbs, fighters, pallys, rangers and ranger / rogue hybrids.

Tanking - Usually comes down to hate tanking. I'm unclear on exactly how hate is calculated (ie. max hit during a time period or max damage in a time period) but in my mind the optimal builds would be wf and either pure fighter (th with hate enhancements) or barb (2h frenzy III) or monster 12/6/2 (twf with hate enhancements) or 18/2 barb/fighter (frenzy III)

Offtanking / intimitanking - this can be discussed in another thread as he's looking for dps :P

[LeLoric]

A) "tanked" is a very relative term in that raid, that reall means nothing. The players that make it happe are the ones that deal the damage to her, not anyone else. Don't kid yourself. If your really epic, you can run around in a circle and avoid a very slow moving marelith.
B) I agree. If you "tanked" a boss with totally random agro, you probably used intimidate, in which case you were a waste of a party slot as it can be done in 3 minuits instead of 12 without it.

Tanked as in intimi and sure i seen your epic barb dps thread and guess what it was 12 min completion.

[uhgungawa]

Tanked as in intimi and sure i seen your epic barb dps thread and guess what it was 12 min completion.

[Sweyn]

I think the OP just wanted a high DPS/Survivability build, i see no where in the OP where it says to be main tank...

[valorik]

Then we agree.
You healed A LOT of ToD, and never in the history of that have every seen a fighter or ranger tank elite. That's all I said above, and your statement matches it.

This isn't flames. And it isn't rocket science. Anyone who tries to argue the ultra simple concept of that class that gets the highest DPS and HP makes for the best raid tank has brain issues.

Most other mmo's balance it out by making the high DPS classes squishy with lower hp then other classes. DnD rules don't.. Thus the answer is simple.

Also I said nothing about paladins, clerics or any other class not being able to tank elite raids. My statement was fighters and rangers, and so far everyone in the this thread can't deny it.

I've never seen a barb tank elite either. Sorry for not making that clear.