To Drow or Not to Drow

[Ebforest60]

With Issue3 coming up I was excited about reincarnating my elf rogue into a Drow...until I found out you can't change race short of a TR. I'm new'ish to the game and have only a few Adventure packs open and play pretty casually (family, work, etc.) But I want to change some things on my rogue now that I know more about the game (and found the planner so I can build toward certain things more easily.)

My question is if people think it is worth restarting my level 6 elf rogue (not super high but my 2nd highest given my desire to try other classes and playtime) and become a Drow rogue. If not I can fix my feats and enhancements without reincarnation and just keep elfing along.

Thanks for the help in advance.

[Lleren]

If you think you can do better with a new build, be less squishy, do more damage, etc.
Then rerolling is a decent option for a level 6 character.

Drow is a decent option if you do not have 32 point builds yet.

[Ebforest60]

Nope, no 32 point builds yet. Thanks for the response

[Doganpc]

Drow + Rogue, I approve. Not that you need my approval

The only thing better would be to hold out for Veteran status (start at level 4), but if you only play so often I think you would have more fun playing that Rogue through level 4 than grinding the Elf that you probably detest now that you have Drow.

Dogan
If the build doesn't cater to Drow roll Human.

[Gunga]

Focus on your favor to unlock 32.

Then go Halfling.

[Doganpc]

Focus on your favor to unlock 32.

Then go Halfling.

This is the kind of thing that bothers me while browsing these forums. Its one thing to bash Drow in all the other forums, but here you are in the Drow race forum bashing Drow? What the Hell!?! Are you lost? Did you find this thread via search and failed to notice where it was posted? What is your purpose? Maybe since you've had an account since '06 you don't realize how much favor is required to unlock 32pts, I've seen the break downs you can't do it and still be F2P.

Dogan
4 years lost instead of learned.

[AylinIsAwesome]

Focus on your favor to unlock 32.

Then go Halfling.

Why?

Drow make perfectly viable Rogues.

+2 DEX for easier ITWF/GTWF (also Finesse builds), +2 INT for more skill points and higher DD/Search checks and DC on Assassinate and +2 CHA for better Diplomacy and UMD checks. Plus the Rapier enhancements for boosting damage by 2 on all attacks for 6 APs (as opposed to boosting Sneak Attack damage by 8 for 20 APs). Also there's the Enchantment Resistance and the innate Spell Resistance that can help get through the early levels.

[Doganpc]

Even better, level your Drow to 20 and true reincarnate as a Drow with 34* ability points to spend. Thats 2 extra and is stated in the Learn to Reincarnate developer diary entry.

Dogan
OMG, Seriously...people.

[Rawum]

Even better, level your Drow to 20 and true reincarnate as a Drow with 34 ability points to spend. Thats 2 extra and is stated in the Learn to Reincarnate developer diary entry.

Dogan
Drow Powered.

If you TR from drow to drow you gain 2 build points for a total of 30.

[epochofcrepuscule]

Even better, level your Drow to 20 and true reincarnate as a Drow with 34* ability points to spend. Thats 2 extra and is stated in the Learn to Reincarnate developer diary entry.

Dogan
OMG, Seriously...people.

Maybe its because your new and not very bright, or maybe you just dont know how to read? Either way....

....maximum number of additional ability points you can gain from True Reincarnating multiple times is the Legend build (36 point character, 32 for Drow).

Amazingly from the same link. I would of just said so but you appear to be the kind of person that needs proof. First TR is 30 points and the 2nd is 32. Yeah.... cheaper to buy the 1750 favor reward of 32 point build then do that.

It is quite possible he mentioned halfling as they;

1. More hp
2. Bonuses to sneak attack damage
3. They make better rogues, period.
4. Halflings get sacrificed to us wf, we need more sacrifices.

[AylinIsAwesome]

Maybe its because your new and not very bright, or maybe you just dont know how to read? Either way....

....maximum number of additional ability points you can gain from True Reincarnating multiple times is the Legend build (36 point character, 32 for Drow).

Amazingly from the same link. I would of just said so but you appear to be the kind of person that needs proof. First TR is 30 points and the 2nd is 32. Yeah.... cheaper to buy the 1750 favor reward of 32 point build then do that.

Ironically he could also accuse you of not reading. By the quote in your post it's evident that you quoted it after he edited his post, with the reason being that he was including the 6 points you'd spend on INT, DEX and CHA.

It is quite possible he mentioned halfling as they;

1. More hp

True, but by that argument the Drow will have +1 base damage on all attacks over the Halfling.

2. Bonuses to sneak attack damage

If both Drow and Halflings spend the same AP to increase their damage (Drow spends 6 points on Rapier Damage and the Halfling spends 3 points each on Guile and Cunning) then the Halfling will be, on average, .250 damage above the Drow on enemies that have 0% Fortification. On the other hand, against enemies with 50% Fortification with the same AP spent the Drow will be, on average, 1.3 damage ahead of the Halfling. Sure the Halfling could spend more AP and bring it's extra Sneak Attack damage to 8 instead of 4, but that would be at a cost of 14 more APs (each line costs of a total of 10 APs) and even then against 0% Fort enemies this would only be 4.25 extra damage over the Drow. I say only because against 50% Fort enemies the Halfling is still behind by .7 damage per swing, and the Drow could have spent those extra 14 APs on maxing out Haste Boost and Subtle Backstabbing.

So Drow Rapier damage enhancements > Halfling Sneak Attack damage enhancements in all but 0% Fort situations.

3. They make better rogues, period.

The big thing that stands out to me that would make Halflings a better Rogue is the bonus to Will saves. But taking those means you have a much harder time taking all the Guile and Cunning enhancements, which not taking can negatively effect your DPS.

4. Halflings get sacrificed to us wf, we need more sacrifices.

Ok, I'll give you this one. Halflings are crunchy.

[megathon]

If not I can fix my feats and enhancements without reincarnation and just keep elfing along.

You can reset you enhancements at a trainer for a gold/plat cost. As for feats you change one feat for a perfect siberys and gold at fred in house J.

[Ebforest60]

Well I did the "old school reincarnate" and deleted the elf....it feels good to be back on the dark side. At the same time I decided to leave the pure rogue path and follow a 13/6/1 build since it seemed to fit my playstyle. I'm digging the Drow and, as of right now, have no desire to play a halfling. I'm not much for "best" race/class combos unless they resonate with me as a concept. I guess I have a hard time letting go of the old Pen and Paper roleplay concepts.

Thanks for all of the feedback.