Repeater Kensai?

[Dylvish]

Just out of pure curiosity and fun factor I was looking for a build similar to this on the forums but didnt find one. Got the idea from a level 8 I saw the other day. Please let me know your opinions on it and ways I could tweak it. Im not worried about raiding on him, and I figured I would go for repeater-heavy, over bow, since ranger would be better for a bow class.
I liked the idea of the pass through type barrage of arrows coming out of the xbow. Yes I'm aware its no TWF-kensai III-Kopesh wielding-common template here dps monster, but It LOOKS like it would be at least viable and fun.

Let me know your ideas / tweaks, and if any of you have played similar to any decent levels, some feedback would be appreciated as well. =)

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Funnelfire repeater hvy kensai
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(18 Fighter \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 354
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 16
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             13                    16
Dexterity            16                    24
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         13                    14
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma             12                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    25
Bluff                 1                     4
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             1                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                5                     6
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  3                     7
Intimidate            5                     6
Jump                  5                    18
Listen                0                     0
Move Silently         3                     7
Open Lock             7                    12
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                     7
Spot                  4                     5
Swim                  5                     8
Tumble                7                    12
Use Magic Device      5                    24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Reload
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shot on the Run


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Repeating Heavy Crossbow Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Repeating Heavy Crossbow Mastery II
Enhancement: Kensei Repeating Heavy Crossbow Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Repeating Heavy Crossbow Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Repeating Heavy Crossbow Specialization II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

Thanks in advance

[Angelus_dead]

Let me know your ideas / tweaks

Do you really think Rogue2 provides enough benefits to compensate for missing out the 10% attack speed from Fighter20?

Note that Evasion is a little less valuable to a ranged combat character, as you have more freedom to stay away from where the explosions are.

[EKKM]

Do you really think Rogue2 provides enough benefits to compensate for missing out the 10% attack speed from Fighter20?

Note that Evasion is a little less valuable to a ranged combat character, as you have more freedom to stay away from where the explosions are.

A repeater build is likely a support build so the addition to UMD from rogue will be quite significant.


OP - You should be able to fit in the TWF line. Would make melee DPS viable when repeater is not usable/viable.

[Grimgore]

Also, if you are going to be a primarily ranged build and focusing on that aspect, I think your strength is a bit high. The points spent in STR should be swapped with CON or CHA (to keep yourself up and/or add to UMD to keep others up)

[Glockduck]

mmmmm as a fighter, you want to make sure you are upfront with your build, before joining any pug groups.

If I am putting one together I always remember to ask a ranger if they are ranged or melee dps, before accepting them.

I believe if you made this build, you would regret it, as well as the time and harassment before you hit lv 10.

(can you say wasted dps slot?)

[Arkat]

mmmmm as a fighter, you want to make sure you are upfront with your build, before joining any pug groups.

If I am putting one together I always remember to ask a ranger if they are ranged or melee dps, before accepting them.

I believe if you made this build, you would regret it, as well as the time and harassment before you hit lv 10.

(can you say wasted dps slot?)

Sorry there Glockduck, properly equipped and played correctly, a WF Repeater Kensai build can "Tank" certain Bosses without losing agro while using a repeater. I ought to know as my toon, Gilgamesh, has "tanked" Sally from VoD twice! (Yes, we completed without incident and in a normal period of time.)

Just because a Fighter uses repeating crossbows does not mean he/she cannot have meaningful DPS.

OP, go ahead and do what you want to do. Having fun and playing your toon well are key.

[Dylvish]

Also, if you are going to be a primarily ranged build and focusing on that aspect, I think your strength is a bit high. The points spent in STR should be swapped with CON or CHA (to keep yourself up and/or add to UMD to keep others up)

Very good point on the STR, Ill move it a couple points down and spread it over, probably to CHA for more UMD, but more health wouldnt hurt either.

As to the DPS viability on the class, there is always arguments on ranged, I'm well aware of them. I also give more credit to some of the AA archers out there than some others do because of their other, harder to quantify in numbers advantages. My nephew has a 16 AA ranger. While he does not do the single target dps that a tempest can do, I do notice that 90% of his arrows are like small lightning bolts, hitting multiple targets. He can not stand and take any hits however, so kites around a lot. My idea here is that I can stand and take hits if / when needed, as I try to stand near the melee whenever possible (having played melee myself, I hate having to follow mobs around trying to hit them). I am also hitting multiple targets most of the time, unless maybe its just on a boss mob.

It is a different style, I understand that. It also seems viable and a lot of fun, which is what I am after. I have an Evoker/healer FVS, a Tempest Ranger, and a Wizard, all who are in 'cookie cutter' builds. At low levels I never see people ask for specific builds, as truthfully it does not affect the run overly much until you start getting around 12'ish or so. I have seen all kinds of unusual builds / class mixes that people are experimenting with. This guy may never see a raid (not planning for or against it, just not very worried about it), he is designed purely for fun while still being viable. Didn't realize I would start a small skirmish over it

As to fitting in TWF, looking at the build, I think I would have to lose a few ranged feats that I would rather avoid.

Any other advice you can throw in?

(thx for the sound advice so far).

I'll be playing this as an alt so the leveling wont be so fast, but Ill try to post updates and feedback as I go up.

[Greeka]

Not sure if this applies but at one point rapid shot only worked on bows. Has that been changed and now does it properly affect crossbows and all ranged weapons including thrown?