Dwarf Intimi-Tank. Feedback please

[ElusiveEagle]

So, this time i wanted to build a Dwarf Intimi-tank, Daxe and board fighter.

Dwarf Intimi-Tank
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Dwarf Male
(20 Fighter)
Hit Points: 362
Spell Points: 0

BAB: 20/20/25/3030
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 9
Will: 9

Abilities: Level 1 (28pt)
STR: 16
DEX: 14
CON: 14
INT: 14
WIS: 8
CHA: 8

Ablilities: Level 20 Feat / Enhancement Modified
STR: 24
DEX: 14
CON: 16
INT: 14
WIS: 8
CHA: 8

Tomes Used: +1 STR at level 20 Not really required, just used it to keep STR even

Skills: Level 20 Feat / Enhancement Modified
Balance 17.5
Bluff -1
Concentration 3
Diplomacy -1
Disable Device n/a
Haggle -1
Heal -1
Hide 2
Intimidate 37
Jump 28
Listen -1
Move Silently 2
Open Lock n/a
Perform n/a
Repair 2
Search 4
Spot -1
Swim 7
Tumble 3
Use Magic Device 10.5

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery I

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I

Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I

Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II

Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Bash
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I

Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
Enhancemennt: Dwarven Axe Attack II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I

Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II

Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II

Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery II

Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III

Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate III

Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Great Fortitude
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender III

Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III

Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate IV

[Gnorbert]

As a pure fighter you have enough feats to take either the THF or TWF lines. Even an intimitank needs to have a DPS option. I say throw in the THF line and get yourself some greataxes to use with that power attack.

[ElusiveEagle]

As a pure fighter you have enough feats to take either the THF or TWF lines. Even an intimitank needs to have a DPS option. I say throw in the THF line and get yourself some greataxes to use with that power attack.

thought about that, but then decided DAxe and board would be better to reduce the most damage taken, and increase AC. So I don't really need a THF or TWF line...or am I being ignorant here?

[Jiipster]

thought about that, but then decided DAxe and board would be better to reduce the most damage taken, and increase AC. So I don't really need a THF or TWF line...or am I being ignorant here?

There's plenty of times when having a shield does nothing but hamper you. THF/TWF are more or less a must-have, even for tanks.

B'sides, that way you can turn yourself into a respectable damage-dealer with just a simple Enhancement reset.

[Gnorbert]

Well, what I mean is that there will be times when intimidating is not possible. Mindless undead for one, or you might be grouped with other tanks. Yes, when you are in tank mode you will have combat expertise up and should be rocking that tower shield and Daxe. But sometimes it will be much better to be swinging a greataxe around.

[unbongwah]

Why'd you take Dodge? Combat Expertise meets your Stalwart Defender requirements and is more useful to a tank. If you're not going for Mobility / Spring Attack, then the +1 AC from Dodge is of negligible value, IMHO. Take Expertise at level 1 instead and drop Dodge; then you can afford to drop DEX a bit too (unless you plan to go TWF) and put those points elsewhere (I suggest CON). Also, I would take Improved Critical at level 8.

[tc12]

What this build write-up is missing: gear and stat targets, with resultant scores in AC, HP & intim. Until you work up numbers for that it's hard to say what you can afford to move around or whether your stats are optimized. Be realistic gear-wise and see where you land.

Why'd you take Dodge? Combat Expertise meets your Stalwart Defender requirements and is more useful to a tank. If you're not going for Mobility / Spring Attack, then the +1 AC from Dodge is of negligible value, IMHO. Take Expertise at level 1 instead and drop Dodge; then you can afford to drop DEX a bit too (unless you plan to go TWF) and put those points elsewhere (I suggest CON). Also, I would take Improved Critical at level 8.

Drop Dodge and lower DEX? On an AC build? Have you played an Intimitank at upper levels? Every AC point matters, the difference between a mob hitting you only on a 20 versus an 18 is 3X the damage. Maybe with a perfect gear setup, but as a new player should the OP count on that or maximize what the build itself contributes?

I do agree those you said need a better DPS mode than sword and board with PA on though. Ideally you'd start 15 DEX so a +2 tome gets you 17 for 2wf. And that helps your AC too later if you can round up later to an even number (via +3 tome or +1 exceptional or litany...) Dropping INT to 12 and a +1 tome for Combat Expertise can free up 2 points. Or if you go 2H for your DPS mode then perhaps CON. But intimitanks are rough starting 28 points.

[ElusiveEagle]

What this build write-up is missing: gear and stat targets, with resultant scores in AC, HP & intim. Until you work up numbers for that it's hard to say what you can afford to move around or whether your stats are optimized. Be realistic gear-wise and see where you land.

I agree, but I don't really know Endgame content so, I'm kind of stuck there. If someone is nice enough to do it for reasonable gear that I might get that would be awesome.

Regarding the posts about TWF and THF, would I have enough hit to pull off Dual DAxe withought Oversize TWF? If not I would probably go with Greataxe since that would still gain from Dwarven Axe Damage and Attack. Or, is it better to do DAxe + Handaxe? I really do not want to use +2 tomes because I currently do not have any.

[Dr.Maul]

I think u should get 2 paladin splash, for divine grace to get better saves, but your charisma...

[ElusiveEagle]

This is a customized build to include THF line.

***The colored parts are the changes in Feats, with explanation***

Dwarf Intimi-Tank
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Dwarf Male
(20 Fighter)
Hit Points: 362
Spell Points: 0

BAB: 20/20/25/3030
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 8
Will: 6

Abilities: Level 1
STR: 16
DEX: 14
CON:14
INT : 14
WIS : 8
CHA: 8

Abilities: Level 20 Feat / Enhancement Modified
STR: 24
DEX: 14
CON:16
INT : 14
WIS: 8
CHA: 8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 20


Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Switched Dodge with Combat Expertise to still meet the requirements of Stalwart Defender

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Switched Iron Will out to include THF, would the change in saves matter?

Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 5 (Fighter)

Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Bash

Level 7 (Fighter)

Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Since Combat Expertise was moved up, This opened up a slot for ITHF

Level 11 (Fighter)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
I switched out Luck of Heroes for GTHF, again would the decrease in my saves have an affect?

Level 13 (Fighter)

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery

Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack

Level 17 (Fighter)

Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Great Fortitude
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery

Level 19 (Fighter)

Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Feedback is again wanted =D

[ElusiveEagle]

I think u should get 2 paladin splash, for divine grace to get better saves, but your charisma...

Yes, but I kind of want to go Pure Fighter, to get the capstone, although splashing pally might help more after the changes for THF.

[tc12]

What other characters do you play, and what is the highest level? I honestly think you'd be better off waiting on an intimitank until you have 32 pt builds and have other character at high level content first to understand what you'll need to make this work given the gear & tome dependancies. There are much easier character/roles to play up to end-game before this. Really you can say you want capstone, or want dwarf or want to do it 28 pt or some other preconditions, but each of those has consequences in terms of AC & Intim potentials. Really this just isn't a great beginner character to try. Roll a pure DPS character first, or a Cleric.

TC