Tired of "Do you Heal"

[Jakarr]

Anyone else gettin tired of being asked this when you join a grp?

I mean really if you ask a FvS if they heal why not ask every cleric if they heal.
Maybe its b/c I just got back into the game a month ago and wasn't around for the release of FvS, but it would seem most have done a really really good job of fooling ppl into thinking we do not heal.....

Normally I try to keep my hopes high when I am asked this and respond with something smartass'ed like, No I dont heal thats crazy and other things like that. I normally get a respond back saying there are some FvS's that dont even take a healing spell.....I mean ***, its like making a WF Sorc/Wiz and not taking a repair spell are ppl really that stupid to think any FvS build at all wont take a heal spell.

Oh then ppl say well they dont have as many spots to take a heal spell so they dont really have good ones......untill "Heal" all the heal spells suck ass and if dont think a FvS can fit a CMW and a CSW in to a build really hasn't looked at the divine spells....

I have actually been droppin grp now when I am asked, it almost gets on my nerves as much as a Cleric or a FvS(oh **** nvm they dont heal) complaining about Warforged.

/rank off

[Lithic]

Calm down. There is nothing wrong with a party leader that wants to know what his group mates are expecting their roles to be. If a leader wants a healer, and gets a FvS, why shouldn't they make sure that FvS will heal?

Its not like they are asking you if you have dual min 2s and an epic bloodstone, then kicks you if you don't.

[Impatiens]

With all the melee FVS builds floating around it's a pretty valid question. I think it is silly to assume that the FVS has NO heal spells what so ever, but just because a build has heal spells doesn't mean they are built to be a main healer. For a while on my FVS I didn't feel comfortable main healing because I took some of the important healing spells (like mass cure mod) rather later than I would have if I were a healing build. I'd much much rather be asked if I heal than have them assume I'm good to heal whatever dungeon on whatever difficulty. Though I would generally send a tell explaining that I was willing to heal but wasn't entirely comfortable with it rather than have them ask.

P.S. I also hate healing WF at least ones who haven't spent many AP on the healing amplifications.

[sirgog]

It's probably due to them having grouped with Bladesworn Transformation builds that buff, deal quite good melee DPS, but cannot heal themselves while in transformation mode (let alone anyone else).

I wouldn't make one of those builds myself, but they can be effective at what they do - which isn't healing.

[Jakarr]

The thing I am not gettin is in the month or so I'v been back, having lvled from 1-20 twice, I have only found 1 FvS that was to stupid to heal(even himself) yet I always find clerics that are stupid....and I always have to babysit 75% of the cleric I grp with, Sometimes I dont even know what they do with there SP.

Hell as I made my OP, I had 2 tells asking me if I healed....

I guess I could be overeating but really its very annoying.

[geoffhanna]

I'm not a healer

[cardmj1]

There is a difference between a healer and a person has the heal spell. It's a valid question as someone has already stated. Many Fvs I meet are melee or divine casters, not healers.

[Jakarr]

There is a difference between a healer and a person has the heal spell. It's a valid question as someone has already stated. Many Fvs I meet are melee or divine casters, not healers.

So why not ask every cleric if they are a healer?

A FvS gets +1 attack and +2 damage in melee with a weapon...woop de do, doesn't mean a cleric cant melee just as good as a FvS. Hell clerics can get a better DC then a Divine Casting FvS also...does that mean they heal???

And yes I know you can stack yer racials with the extra FvS but you can do the same as a cleric and you still only come out with +1 attack and +2 damage.

[Sinni]

a cleric can always heal in theory, as a cleric always has the healing spells with him. But you can make a fvs without a single healing spell (not that it makes a lot of sense but it's possible). Additionally: There are more non-healer fvs than there are non-healer clerics.
btw since i'm in higher levels i get hardly asked anymore if i'm a healer.

[Uska]

Just say yes but not you.

[Feylina]

feel free to drop from my groups anytime i ask you if you are a healer or not. I'm a bit tired of seeing this tired old rant from favored souls that are too upity to answer a simple question.

Or are you saying that the fvs symbol automatically makes you a melee or offensive caster or healbot. holy hell it's not like someone is asking you to count to 20 without taking your shoes or socks off.

here i'll break it down for you:

Option A> You join a party that still has room for more members yet no obvious healing class. Group leader asks you if you heal. i wonder why. Probably not because he cares really but probably so he knows whether to stop looking for a healer or not.

Option B> you join a part in the last spot that is obviously looking for a healer. Ie it is only showing cleric / fvs for a quest that is a bit more difficult to solo, and the rest of the party is a caster and 4 melees. The group leader is probably double checking that you are indead a healer so as not to find out in the middle of combat as you pathetically swing your weapons around.

Perhaps the person is asking you because the fvs class has just come out and there are a lot of fvs builds out there and a lot of them melee. Perhaps they don't ask if clerics heal or not because battle clerics are few and far between. Perhaps 1 or 2 healing spells a healer doesn't make.

i don't know perhaps if you sat down and thought about it for half a bloody second you would have come to the same conclusions.

I for one giggle at the thought of you getting asked a simple and pretty essential question and dropping group. In my mind i picture you stomping your feet and whining a little.

[Aranticus]

if melee fvs stops trying to sneak into my raids when i'm looking for healers, i'll stop asking if you heal

[Jakarr]

if melee fvs stops trying to sneak into my raids when i'm looking for healers, i'll stop asking if you heal

Deal

[Clawkin]

I am actualy HAPPY if I am asked weather I heal or not. It gives me a chance to say "Not much, but I'll try to keep your face out of the dirt. I'd appreciate it if you used your potions and wands. I'm more build to smack stuff." I actualy had a guy yesterday start talking **** in party chat asking "What's the point of taking FvS if you're not going to heal?"

[unionyes]

Don't take it so hard.

There are a lot of 'non standard' builds out there. In a pug, you sort of have to clarify things a bit in advance, just to avoid the inevitable surprises that keep popping up.

Lots of heavily armored tank types don't take intimidate. Lots of rogues aren't overly trap specced. Lots of wizards, especially warforged, aren't your standard dps and buffing types.

If the party leader is mentally planning a quest in his/her head, and looking at the party makeup, it isn't such a bad thing to have some questions asked.

[Gnorbert]

Rogues get asked all the time if they are able to do the traps... I don't see them complaining about the question. At higher levels my melee get asked if they have appropriate weapons to bypass DR in the upcoming quest.... I thank the party leader for making sure.

If group leaders don't confirm that their party has required tools to do a job then there is a much higher chance of failure. I don't like failing.

Before you say it... yes, I know most quests can be done without a healer, but it makes it smoother. I know most quests can be done without disarming traps.. but it makes it easier. If the group wants to have these elements in the party, then I don't see a problem with them asking questions needed to verify this.

[GreenGurgler]

I am actualy HAPPY if I am asked weather I heal or not. It gives me a chance to say "Not much, but I'll try to keep your face out of the dirt. I'd appreciate it if you used your potions and wands. I'm more build to smack stuff." I actualy had a guy yesterday start talking **** in party chat asking "What's the point of taking FvS if you're not going to heal?"

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I agree, this is a minor point to be asked if you heal and I also prefer to be asked. If I am not asked right away, I usually state that I am a melee spec'ed FvS but can heal between fights. I do this just to establish my role and satisfy the party leaders expectations. If there is a cleric already in the group, I ask him in party chat if he will be the primary healer for the same reasons above.

FvS is one of those classes that can do a few different things and is usually spec'ed for one role over the other. That having been said, I can still pull off most all of the healing needs and often better than a comparably leveled cleric. The bigger problem I have been experiencing in Pugs lately is that there are hardly any **** clerics who heal anymore. I don't know if its because they are no good and they are just doing their best or if they are battle clerics and don't think of it but I seem to constantly need to be healing the party (I will not heal a cleric in that situation who claims to be the healer but isnt doing jack).

I may build a second FvS who's primary purpose is for healing but right now, that is not what I have built.

I wish there were MORE clarifications before a group starts as to each persons role as I hate finding out 3/4 of the way through the quest that the rogue we brought isnt trap focused (I for the life of me cannot understand how this is even possible but I have encountered it a lot lately).

Lighten up and be glad they don't just ASSUME you are the healer and berate you for not healing them when the quest is underway.

[Clawkin]

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I may build a second FvS who's primary purpose is for healing but right now, that is not what I have built.

I tried and I hated every minute since i spend 80% of my time solo

I wish there were MORE clarifications before a group starts as to each persons role as I hate finding out 3/4 of the way through the quest that the rogue we brought isnt trap focused (I for the life of me cannot understand how this is even possible but I have encountered it a lot lately).

Lighten up and be glad they don't just ASSUME you are the healer and berate you for not healing them when the quest is underway.

I agree and would add that I wish people would stop just running as fast as they can through a dungeon. Just slow down, be a team and you'll all live longer. You'll also get buffs if you stay in a group. I hate it when people just run off like Bless, prot evil, Bard's songs are not a factor in sucessfuly completing a quest.

[Jakarr]

I guess as I stated earlier you guys have just gotten em trained like a battle cleric would of liked 2 years ago. <shrug>

[Kalari]

My favored soul gets asked that a lot she does duel wield scimitars so I think its a fair question.

They ask do I heal I say yes, I also let them know that I do not babysit if thats what they want they can find someone else.

Lately soloing has been more of an option for her anyway its easier to keep track of my own hp bar then 5 others who want me to bandage boo boos instead of enjoying the dungeon as well.

But as a new class with many playing their own way I just get used to people asking me that some will even go "melee or healing?" And I tell them "both." Im a good multitasker.