Pale Master latest change

[Talamare2k4]

All i have to say is that the latest changes to the pale master as of 1-21-10 literally make this thing a waste of flipping time. Thanx for butchering the necro touch and the dc's increases. Why the heck did yall feel the need to change anything on the negative? If anything all this did was help balance the casters out. Now, I, and others in game that prep'd for this have to change my true reincarnate back to a flipping sorc and waste all that dang time leveling back to 20 with the increased penalty. Thanx for the shaft dev's appreciate it. Yet another disappointing ehancement release. Hey, why don't you nerf the 500 point clickie the monks get everytime they have 50 ki? Most monks have that most of the time. That could be over-powered! What about the fact that casters are pretty much buff bots at the upper tier? This is rediculously insulting to wizards. How about you just keep the class and give nothing to us, at least that would have been expected

Im amazed at all the flames the devs are getting for changing something that was announced on THE BETA SERVER

Beta - meaning SUBJECT TO CHANGE

Hell if they wanted to they could say, "Due to a bug we will need to delay adding this PrE till next year!"

[bobbryan2]

Im amazed at all the flames the devs are getting for changing something that was announced on THE BETA SERVER

Beta - meaning SUBJECT TO CHANGE

Hell if they wanted to they could say, "Due to a bug we will need to delay adding this PrE till next year!"

Well, haven't seen any flames for one.

And no one is mad because they changed something. They're mad because they ruined something.

[Monkey_Archer]

Hell if they wanted to they could say, "Due to a bug we will need to delay adding this PrE till next year!"

I for one would rather have a useful PrE next year then a useless PrE now...

[ddoer]

I for one would rather have a useful PrE next year then a useless PrE now...

be honest, i think there is no harm to me for them to roll out a useless PrE, as long as they'll fix it in the future. Some wiz may take it as it looks cool, and then my wiz who don't take the PrE will be seen as a better wiz than them.

[Spisey]

This is all assuming our input is going to be used....

I'm half expecting something very similar to the current implementation to launch. It wouldn't be the first time forumites have warned them about something only to have it implemented and later removed/fixed.

[Razcar]

So with the changes.....what is the point of the Pale Master?? From what i have seen it is worthless to take now!

It will be cool for Halloween. That's about it

[ddoer]

It will be cool for Halloween. That's about it

All wraiths Halloween shroud run. All wraiths Halloween tod run.

[ieatogres]

be honest, i think there is no harm to me for them to roll out a useless PrE, as long as they'll fix it in the future. Some wiz may take it as it looks cool, and then my wiz who don't take the PrE will be seen as a better wiz than them.

Fix it in the future? When is this going to happen? There are still spells that no one uses because they are basically useless and they have been that way since the game was released.

[Kriogen]

Fix it in the future? When is this going to happen? ..

When we all roll Jedi.

[mrsands13]

Hey, I would definitely rather have the devs NOT include a suck pre in game rather than gimp one. I am Pi$$ed that it made it through the real testers..... then half of lamania time, until a bunch of whiners deemed it too powerful or whatever garbage. The same thing happened to monks, and now it is taking them over a year to get back what was taken away well before open testing. It just sucks that it made it this far without contest, then when they let people prepare, they change the dang thing. This is definitely one pre that I will NOT contribute to unless they revise the flipping changes. I would rather not have the self heal, the damage was alot better, and the dc's would make wizzy's worth playing for slow casting and sp. But now, I can heal myself. oh flipping wow, take a level of rogue give up one dc, and 30 sp, and you can umd heal scrolls, This is a complete waste of the devs time now to even bring the calss out. So yes, wait until next year if I can have an actual pre like the one this was suppose to be!

[Gol]

Hrm, what type of damage do shadowfiends do in ToD again?

[Aspenor]

Hrm, what type of damage do shadowfiends do in ToD again?

Cold.

[sephiroth1084]

Hey, I would definitely rather have the devs NOT include a suck pre in game rather than gimp one. I am Pi$$ed that it made it through the real testers..... then half of lamania time, until a bunch of whiners deemed it too powerful or whatever garbage. The same thing happened to monks, and now it is taking them over a year to get back what was taken away well before open testing. It just sucks that it made it this far without contest, then when they let people prepare, they change the dang thing. This is definitely one pre that I will NOT contribute to unless they revise the flipping changes. I would rather not have the self heal, the damage was alot better, and the dc's would make wizzy's worth playing for slow casting and sp. But now, I can heal myself. oh flipping wow, take a level of rogue give up one dc, and 30 sp, and you can umd heal scrolls, This is a complete waste of the devs time now to even bring the calss out. So yes, wait until next year if I can have an actual pre like the one this was suppose to be!

You missed what everybody was complaining about--being in lich or wraith form and being unhealable (and with no way to dismiss the form) is such an enormous drawback that they were likely more harmful than helpful by a longshot. Everyone wanted some negative energy-based self-healing so that these forms (the most interesting reason to bother with the PrE at all) wouldn't be the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot.

There were many good suggestions about how to change the PrE so that it would be better. The devs, instead, just made it worse.

If you're going to *****, ***** about that, not players asking for improvements or adjustments. Besides, if something makes it to the game in an overpowered state, you can bet your ass the devs will rectify that quickly anyway.

[LeLoric]

If you're going to *****, ***** about that, not players asking for improvements or adjustments. Besides, if something makes it to the game in an overpowered state, you can bet your ass the devs will rectify that quickly anyway.

Last I checked Tempest was still in game and with the bulk of its benefits available to rangers at lev 6.

[Dylos_Moon]

Hrm, what type of damage do shadowfiends do in ToD again?

Cold.

And before you ask, undead forms do not make you immune to cold damage. (dispite that Lich are immune to cold damage)

[Razcar]

Please devs, make another pass over Pale Master, and make this PrE something more than just a party trick. You have a chance here to change the view of many that DDO wizards are nothing but training wheels for sorcerers.

[sephiroth1084]

Last I checked Tempest was still in game and with the bulk of its benefits available to rangers at lev 6.

They reduced the AC issue, and the 10% attack speed boost, while earlier than the others available, isn't dramatically overpowered.

[LeLoric]

They reduced the AC issue, and the 10% attack speed boost, while earlier than the others available, isn't dramatically overpowered.

Having all the top dps builds in the game contain 6 ranger just for the 10% attack speed boost id say yeah its pretty OP. The simple fact that it only takes 6 ranger levs to hit this allow other classes to splash into it and get the major benefit of the entire tempest line and still take the first two tiers of their own class PrC is a major overpowered issue the problem is they let it hang around for too long and now would cause too much uproar to properly balance it. Not that they won't at some point as evidenced by the evasion in heavy armor fiasco.

But anyways sorry for posting off topic I have posted earlier my views on this prc and still think I'd rather play my little pony online than make a wizard with the prc as is.

[Gum]

Please devs, make another pass over Pale Master, and make this PrE something more than just a party trick. You have a chance here to change the view of many that DDO wizards are nothing but training wheels for sorcerers.

/Signed, Dittoed, Parroted, and Reiterated

[bobbryan2]

Having all the top dps builds in the game contain 6 ranger just for the 10% attack speed boost id say yeah its pretty OP. The simple fact that it only takes 6 ranger levs to hit this allow other classes to splash into it and get the major benefit of the entire tempest line and still take the first two tiers of their own class PrC is a major overpowered issue the problem is they let it hang around for too long and now would cause too much uproar to properly balance it. Not that they won't at some point as evidenced by the evasion in heavy armor fiasco.

But anyways sorry for posting off topic I have posted earlier my views on this prc and still think I'd rather play my little pony online than make a wizard with the prc as is.

Yeah... cuz ALL the top dps builds have 6 ranger...