Pale Master latest change

[Angar]

An "f2p newbie" is the kind of player least able to cope with 3 minutes of healing deficiency, and also will spend less time around monsters that have good saves against Finger of Death.

My opinion is that you are correct to an extent, and as I stated, I think healing needs an adjustment for PM. However, there are a lot of good players out there who are new-ish to the game yet can still learn to overcome the challenges of the game. Your statement, like a lot of comments here, suggests that you have to be a skilled veteran to play a Pale Master, and that it is a worthless PrE because it doesn't offer anything more than some fluff and a nerf to wizards.

Last night, I mentioned to a guildie, who happens to be a vet and is planning to LR his wiz to PM, that the PM was kind of nerfed. He told me he had already copied his wiz to the Lamania server and tried it out, just a few days ago. He said "it isn't any more powerful of a build, but it is different, and that is what I like about it." PM offers a new way to play a wiz, something outside the cookie cutter build, and that should appeal to players who stick to the mid levels as well as the vets who have done every build imaginable.

If you look at it not as some "uber" new addition to the wiz line, but rather a different way to play, it isn't so bad. The thing everyone has to get past is that the wraith/lich forms are not the only option when you are a PM. I agree that PM is not the ideal min/max wiz build, but not everyone wants to have the biggest firewalls in the game.

One more note: if you ever played an assassin build rogue, you would know that not all characters are great in all situations. Half the time, my assassin is insanely overpowered, and the other half of the time practically worthless. You can look at PM the same way: there are going to be situations where the skills and abilities of a PM will make things easier for the group, and times where that caster reverts back to the guy that buffs and casts haste, then follows the group from a distance. I couldn't tell you what quests the PM will excel at, but I bet in a week or two some people will be able to tell you.

[Alanim]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a "Boon of Undeath" item be good while in the lich/wraith forms? and if so, do the effects stack? because that could help with the healing issue a bit.

[Visty]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a "Boon of Undeath" item be good while in the lich/wraith forms? and if so, do the effects stack? because that could help with the healing issue a bit.

to get healed for (1d8+1)/2 everytime you get hit for 40-50 dmg is helping at healing?
its a small DR, nothing else

[Alanim]

to get healed for (1d8+1)/2 everytime you get hit for 40-50 dmg is helping at healing?
its a small DR, nothing else

I was wondering if having multiple boon items would make it hit more then once, I know that most item effects don't stack, but not sure on this.

[Visty]

I was wondering if having multiple boon items would make it hit more then once, I know that most item effects don't stack, but not sure on this.

as theres only 1 item in the game currently and that in a raid which is rarely run as i read it...multiple items isnt possible

[Alanim]

as theres only 1 item in the game currently and that in a raid which is rarely run as i read it...multiple items isnt possible

That's a shame, there really should be more for the pale master line to make to make it less "useless", if and only if they stack. oh, and do the arcane skeletons have that aura of inflict light wounds? if so does that heal the user? just throwing out ideas.

[Visty]

That's a shame, there really should be more for the pale master line to make to make it less "useless", if and only if they stack. oh, and do the arcane skeletons have that aura of inflict light wounds? if so does that heal the user? just throwing out ideas.

jep, the aura is there, for a total of 1 second giving you the change to get hit by inflict minor wounds once which heals exactly 1hp of damage healed

[Alanim]

Alrighty last try to see if It can be useable.

Taint of Shavarath, does this count as negative healing? I can't really tell what it does by the descrip but it sounds like it slowly damages.

Long shot, but does vicious items count as negative healing? and if so could it(highly doubt it), trigger boon of death.

if no to all of these, well, I gave it my best shot lol.

[Visty]

vicious is untyped
dunno about shavarath but its most likeley untyped damage too