Make TOD Boots bind to Acct .

[bobbryan2]

And I've argued against most of those changes. Honestly Smatt you are making **** up out of nowhere. Go fight with yourself, your arguments are based on nothing.

I figured he 'was' fighting with himself. Nothing he is responding to makes sense of his responses.

[bobbryan2]

No Bobby it would completely remove the grind, which from many players stand point would be great. The problem is from the development stand point, it would greatly decrease the lifespan of content. If they went to more cookie cutter style quests like the last update sure.... Ya those are real fun aren't they? 5 minute stupidfests of lameness... Only reason to run them is for insanely fast XP to get to cap to then do what????

No, Smatt. Grinding 1 pair of boots isn't the same thing as grinding 0 pairs. I know you're having trouble with this concept, so I'll lay it out like that.

It's a grind that has ALWAYS has an end to it. There's just no point in grinding more than 10 pairs of boots anyway. If you're just hating that a grind would have an eventual end, this is the wrong thread for you to be in.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

No Bobby it would completely remove the grind, which from many players stand point would be great. The problem is from the development stand point, it would greatly decrease the lifespan of content. If they went to more cookie cutter style quests like the last update sure.... Ya those are real fun aren't they? 5 minute stupidfests of lameness... Only reason to run them is for insanely fast XP to get to cap to then do what????

No smatt, if the grind is excessive, something even you said it was above, it will make the majority of the playerbase avoid the content totally, shortening its lifespan to zero. Oh sure, a few hard core will play it longer, but the overall hours of player time in that whole module will drop because it will be seen as a place for crazy elite grinders only.

[smatt]

I am 100% against them EVER doing anythign that removes the singlular per character benefits. In other words account bound gaming aquired items have removed oen of the key elements of DDO. That to get somewhere on a particular toon meant you had to actually put effort forth on THAT toon.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I am 100% against them EVER doing anythign that removes the singlular per character benefits. In other words account bound gaming aquired items have removed oen of the key elements of DDO. That to get somewhere on a particular toon meant you had to actually put effort forth on THAT toon.

So then you are against unbound loot too? Because otherwise you can buy or hand down stuff you didn't earn on that character.

[smatt]

No smatt, if the grind is excessive, something even you said it was above, it will make the majority of the playerbase avoid the content totally, shortening its lifespan to zero. Oh sure, a few hard core will play it longer, but the overall hours of player time in that whole module will drop because it will be seen as a place for crazy elite grinders only.

Exactly, so lets remove the grind altogther..... Yep, I get it no matter what...... Instant gratification...... Then what to do....... Oh I think I'll go play some other game because I'm finished with this.

That's why they're changing ToD in the first place.They KNOW the grind is too much, they KNOW they made a mistake by not requiring each and every character to have boots... Btu completely removign the grind is the worst thing they could do short of leaving it the same.

[bobbryan2]

I am 100% against them EVER doing anythign that removes the singlular per character benefits. In other words account bound gaming aquired items have removed oen of the key elements of DDO. That to get somewhere on a particular toon meant you had to actually put effort forth on THAT toon.

So you're totally against the entire Inspired Quarter quest chain. And non-raid loot. And drow and favored soul favor unlocks.

Bind to Account items is a great way of making some grinds per-account rather than per-character. There's nothing inherently bad about per-account binds.

[bobbryan2]

Exactly, so lets remove the grind altogther..... Yep, I get it no matter what...... Instant gratification...... Then what to do....... Oh I think I'll go play some other game because I'm finished with this.

That's why they're changing ToD in the first place.They KNOW the grind is too much, they KNOW they made a mistake by not requiring each and every character to have boots... Btu completely removign the grind is the worst thing they could do short of leaving it the same.

This is what I'm talking about. This doesn't make sense. It's crazy raving. You were actually doing pretty good job with the semi-cogent post above.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Exactly, so lets remove the grind altogther..... Yep, I get it no matter what...... Instant gratification...... Then what to do....... Oh I think I'll go play some other game because I'm finished with this.

Once again you get silly and make stuff up. Must be easier if you argue with things you made up yourself rather than what people are actually saying.

That's why they're changing ToD in the first place.They KNOW the grind is too much, they KNOW they made a mistake by not requiring each and every character to have boots... Btu completely removign the grind is the worst thing they could do short of leaving it the same.

Did you even read that? I know you generally argue with yourself but that paragraph contradicts itself. They knew it was too grindy so they made it more grindy?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

So you're totally against the entire Inspired Quarter quest chain. And non-raid loot. And drow and favored soul favor unlocks.

Bind to Account items is a great way of making some grinds per-account rather than per-character. There's nothing inherently bad about per-account binds.

It's actually nice. A group of guildies wants to run the IQ and is looking for a <whatever> I can bring that char along to help them out, even if they don't need the item from that quest because I can pass it on. It's not like the older quests where people would say "well, I really only need to run my Wiz through, or maybe my Rogue, can one of you switch?" I think most of the B2C stuff should be moved to B2A, at least 100% of ingredients/collectables.

[bobbryan2]

Did you even read that? I know you generally argue with yourself but that paragraph contradicts itself. They knew it was too grindy so they made it more grindy?

Oh didn't you know. He thinks the current drop rate is too low, so obviously Turbine has come to the same conclusion and will increase drop rates. They're just keeping it on the DL.

[smatt]

So then you are against unbound loot too? Because otherwise you can buy or hand down stuff you didn't earn on that character.

Nope.. ....Who's making stuff up???? Bound items ahve always been bound BECAUSE they were more powerful than what would normally be expected at a particular level, and in order to obtain those over powered, over level items, and to use them you had to actually work for them on a particular character.... Concept face.....

All this accountound **** is simply dumbing the game down to the lowest common form. There's no doubt it needed to happen to some extent for the game to survive... But DDO will lose if it becomes to stupidly easy. That's for them to decide their money their game... If that's what the masses want... Easy peasy cheasy.... cool....

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Oh didn't you know. He thinks the current drop rate is too low, so obviously Turbine has come to the same conclusion and will increase drop rates. They're just keeping it on the DL.

Oh right...I totally forgot he was the one who made that up lol. Well...either he made it up or he's a mournlands player who can't stick to his NDA ala the people who started selling w/ps.

[smatt]

Once again you get silly and make stuff up. Must be easier if you argue with things you made up yourself rather than what people are actually saying.




Did you even read that? I know you generally argue with yourself but that paragraph contradicts itself. They knew it was too grindy so they made it more grindy?

Cry some more I'm sure they'll cave in IF you cry enough....

[Battleworm]

I am 100% against them EVER doing anythign that removes the singlular per character benefits. In other words account bound gaming aquired items have removed oen of the key elements of DDO. That to get somewhere on a particular toon meant you had to actually put effort forth on THAT toon.

2 words for you.Reaver's Refuge.


Grinding is so much fun,let's make Tod like reaver's refuge.Well the crafting is different but it took me as long to get a full set of ingredients as it had to get 2 out of 3 effects i wanted on my DT.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Nope.. ....Who's making stuff up???? Bound items ahve always been bound BECAUSE they were more powerful than what would normally be expected at a particular level, and in order to obtain those over powered, over level items, and to use them you had to actually work for them on a particular character.... Concept face..... :

Your arguments continue to fail. +2 tomes can be passed down, and yet there isn't any way for a l7 player to find one. And the odds of a L2 having some +2MFP armor in a normal chest pull seems pretty rare too and yet you can pass that down.

Having IQ discs BTA instead of BTC doesn't let you get anything early, it just lets you group more easily and thus have more fun. You logic doesn't flow at all.

Cry some more I'm sure they'll cave in IF you cry enough....

So if we don't like something its crying, if you don't its a rightful complaint, got it.

[smatt]

Oh didn't you know. He thinks the current drop rate is too low, so obviously Turbine has come to the same conclusion and will increase drop rates. They're just keeping it on the DL.

That seems to be universal opinion and has been since the Mod came out... Drop-rate= too low, to much grind...

[Gunga]

No Bobby it would completely remove the grind, which from many players stand point would be great. The problem is from the development stand point, it would greatly decrease the lifespan of content. If they went to more cookie cutter style quests like the last update sure.... Ya those are real fun aren't they? 5 minute stupidfests of lameness... Only reason to run them is for insanely fast XP to get to cap to then do what????

Easy boy. You might've had too much coffee.

The grind is not removed in the least bit. How many pairs of boots have you personally crafted by pulling ingredients yourself, Mr. Grindy.

No one here is complaining only about the grind...the grind is fine. Everyone who is responding understands gaming...you're not the only one who plays DDO.

All complaints are about needing to grind for every character at the current ingredient drop rate. Make the drop rate much better, and you effectively accomplish the same exact thing as keeping the drop rate the same but allowing the boots to be shared. Either way is ok.

Why not make Black, Blue or White Dragon Scale armor required on every toon for a Reaver raid?

Silly.

[bobbryan2]

LOL, discussing things with you and Lorien is like stepping into a room of 7th graders......

The funny thing... is I think he meant that as a compliment. A bit higher brow than the, "you're crying." "No, YOU'RE crying"

[Delt]

I didn't read anything besides the OP, but I say no.

It's the selfish part of me that ground out 3 boot sets (and ingreds for 3 more, minus the blood). It's not a HUGE grind. A more realistic change should be adjusting the ingred drop rates and, more importantly, adding the two ingrediants to the Wrath quest loot tables.