Any plans for the cost of +1/+3 reincarnation hearts?

[Gol]

Now the +1, +3 varieties...those can be much higher in my eyes.

Normally, perhaps, but a lot of old-school vets with 3+ year old toons that didn't bother to reroll or TR deserve at least a +1 freebie (if not a +3) if they're going to have such unreasonable prices.

[Coldin]

I could agree on that. And really, why not make a heart as a favor reward? That would be pretty nice. Kinda like getting the one dragonshard to change feats from Argonessen favor.

[Schwarzie]

Current price list for all the hearts of wood in case anyone's interested:

Lesser Heart of Wood: 895tp
Lesser Heart of Wood +1: 1195tp
True Heart of Wood: 1295tp
Lesser Heart of Wood +3: 1395tp
Greater Heart of Wood: 1495tp
Greater Heart of Wood +1: 1795tp
Greater Heart of Wood + 3: 1995tp

Way too expensive, imo.

Well, i would pay the 1995tp for a Greater Heart of Wood +20, but for nothing else. Those prices are simply a ripoff and you cant even change your alignement.

What is Turbines Problem with people changing their classes? Alignements? Feats?

[Riorik]

Agreed, those rates seem punitive. The goal is to be able to fix characters.

Frankly, it's looking a lot like Turbine is pulling the cartoonish dollar signs/slot machine trick where they're focused on revenue. It's unmistakeable that the reincarnation option is intended to all players to correct mistakes or fix issues that arise from game mechanic changes.

True Reincarnation achieves the same results, but actually grants significant bonuses (past life, 34 & 36 build points) that can't be acquired in ANY other fashion. True Reincarnation is a new feature - it can rate a significant fee...lesser/greater including class changes should not.

[Schwarzie]

True Reincarnation achieves the same results, but actually grants significant bonuses (past life, 34 & 36 build points) that can't be acquired in ANY other fashion. True Reincarnation is a new feature - it can rate a significant fee...lesser/greater including class changes should not.

Ack! 100 respective 200 points for the +3 would be acceptable. But at this cost Lesser and Greater are by no means attractive at all. There still is only the question to use the toon as mule or simply TR it and grind through all levels.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Current price list for all the hearts of wood in case anyone's interested:

Lesser Heart of Wood: 895tp
Lesser Heart of Wood +1: 1195tp
True Heart of Wood: 1295tp
Lesser Heart of Wood +3: 1395tp
Greater Heart of Wood: 1495tp
Greater Heart of Wood +1: 1795tp
Greater Heart of Wood + 3: 1995tp

Way too expensive, imo.

Hmmm...while my time has value... those prices are pushing the pricepoint. All forms of greater needs to drop by 300 or 400 pts for me to consider it (and even then, I'd prob wait for a sale)

[cdbd3rd]

Current price list for all the hearts of wood in case anyone's interested:

Lesser Heart of Wood: 895tp
Lesser Heart of Wood +1: 1195tp
True Heart of Wood: 1295tp
Lesser Heart of Wood +3: 1395tp
Greater Heart of Wood: 1495tp
Greater Heart of Wood +1: 1795tp
Greater Heart of Wood + 3: 1995tp

Way too expensive, imo.

Ah, good. Was hoping someone had done that as I was reading thru - was gonna go do it myself otherwise. (+rep)

As for the costs - I'd have immediately bought the +1 Greater for my main because of a 1-class farble I made a long time ago. However, to do some of the other tweaking I'd like to do... yeah, gonna have to be a bit easier on the pocket.

[Xyfiel]

It's all about the Benjamins. This whole respec is all a money making scheme, you notice it was never implented before the store. Now we have to pay for their mistakes as well, just have the option of money instead of time.

Be careful what you ask for...

[CaseStringer]

It's all about the Benjamins... Be careful what you ask for...

All we ever asked for was a respec option. I don't think anyone ever dreamed of micro-transactions and a virtual store!

[Therilith]

While the current prices do seem a bit high, I hope they don't make them too cheap either.

My first concern when I heard about a class respec was that people would no longer be wizards or rogues, but rather bags of 1,900,000 XP that changed what profession they "spent their career" mastering every few weeks.

So I guess it's mainly an RP thing.

[Schwarzie]

While the current prices do seem a bit high, I hope they don't make them too cheap either.

My first concern when I heard about a class respec was that people would no longer be wizards or rogues, but rather bags of 1,900,000 XP that changed what profession they "spent their career" mastering every few weeks.

So I guess it's mainly an RP thing.

A bit to high? Its like 5 to 10 times to high!

I highly doubt anyone would reroll a Fighter to a wizard, the Raidloot simply is to different. What would happen is, that people would remake their Clerics to Favoured Souls or kill a Sorc level in thewir Wiazard/Cleric.But those prices are simply a slap in the faces of long term customers, nothing else.

a full respec is long overdue! The options right now are RIDICULOUS expensive and dont even allow of alignement changes, something even an moderately average DM would have no prtoblems to do.

[Gol]

While the current prices do seem a bit high, I hope they don't make them too cheap either.

My first concern when I heard about a class respec was that people would no longer be wizards or rogues, but rather bags of 1,900,000 XP that changed what profession they "spent their career" mastering every few weeks.

So I guess it's mainly an RP thing.

I'd make them as cheap as possible, just increase the timers till you can use one again. However, that's a lose/lose on the revenue front - cheaper and less frequent.

Microtrans may have been good for the financials of the game, but it gives Turbine a huge disincentive to respect their loyal player base.

[Shmuel]

Sorry Gol,

I have to disagree with you on this one.

I have to say that I am actually happy with high prices for reincarnations of all types. Here are three reasons why:

1. The unforgiving nature of character building in this game was always something that actually appealed to me greatly. I spent a long time trying to fix mistakes I made on the original versions of some of my toons before TR came out. It provided an impetus for me other than just "I must have every toon be perfect"

2. It would make completionist (if it is in fact eventually added) much easier to simply level up an easy to level toon like a cleric or fighter 11 times and then LR +3 a few times to make it a bard or something before TR for the past life feats.

3. It also is, in my mind, part of D+D that the DM rarely does things exactly as you would expect or want them to.

I do however, strongly agree that people who have been in the game a long time should get AT LEAST a LR+3, maybe a LR+10 or something for free, one time, to fix things about their build that were changed not due to their own mistakes, but changes in game mechanics (how many old evasion in heavy armor builds are languishing out there?). They have given free items to ppl in the past when updates came out, so the precedent is there for such a thing,.

[Siskel]

They are currently at a price point where it is more attractive for me to just spend the TP on a True Reincarnation instead of wasting my points on a Lesser. Or possibly just doing enough epic content for a free True Reincarnation if that is still available.

[noinfo]

I could agree on that. And really, why not make a heart as a favor reward? That would be pretty nice. Kinda like getting the one dragonshard to change feats from Argonessen favor.

You mean the shard that by the time you actually achieve it now it is too late to use?

[Gol]

Sorry Gol,

I have to disagree with you on this one.

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I do however, strongly agree that people who have been in the game a long time should get AT LEAST a LR+3, maybe a LR+10 or something for free, one time, to fix things about their build that were changed not due to their own mistakes, but changes in game mechanics (how many old evasion in heavy armor builds are languishing out there?). They have given free items to ppl in the past when updates came out, so the precedent is there for such a thing,.

I care barely-more-than-zero either way about your first three points. 95% of my point is to address your last paragraph. The thing is, they have given us no reason to believe it will ever happen for reincarnations. Anything else I propose is a direct attempt to remedy this core issue - that Turbine has broken certain builds. Would I like a +20 GR for Gol? Absolutely, but a +3 GR is all he needs - I just refuse to pay more than 300-400 points for it, which is less than a quarter of the current price.

My primary point is that something needs to give. Either prices need to come down OR old toons need to be given +3-20 GR for free. My argument about the prices coming down is only due to the reality that Turbine has made zero indication that the alternative has any chance of happening.

[Shmuel]

My primary point is that something needs to give. Either prices need to come down OR old toons need to be given +3-20 GR for free. My argument about the prices coming down is only due to the reality that Turbine has made zero indication that the alternative has any chance of happening.

Fair enough. I just think that the 2nd option, of a one-time freebie for older toons, is a more logical and better long-term solution, and an argument that in an honest debate has a better chance of winning.

[ahpook]

Current price list for all the hearts of wood in case anyone's interested:

Lesser Heart of Wood: 895tp
Lesser Heart of Wood +1: 1195tp
True Heart of Wood: 1295tp
Lesser Heart of Wood +3: 1395tp
Greater Heart of Wood: 1495tp
Greater Heart of Wood +1: 1795tp
Greater Heart of Wood + 3: 1995tp

Way too expensive, imo.

I agree that those are overpriced. Drop by 1/3 to 1/2 would be closer. But the only way that will happen is if no one buys them. If they release at that price and sell well, our opinions are wrong.

So, if you think they are too expensive, don't swallow and pay anyway. Wait it out. Your gimp character that has been sitting on the shelf for a year or two can wait a couple of more months.

[Gol]

So, if you think they are too expensive, don't swallow and pay anyway. Wait it out. Your gimp character that has been sitting on the shelf for a year or two can wait a couple of more months.

The point is respecing those toons ought (IMO) to be nearly free. Turbine changed the rules on us and we're left with pack mules as a result.

[Alavatar]

Keep in mind that at L20 a Perfect Syberis Dragonshard is 200-250 points.

If exchanging one feat costs 200-250 TP, how much would be appropriate to change ALL of your feats + Skill Points + Attribute Points + a level or three?