Rogue Discrimination.

[GottDDO]

People are idiots.

I was on one of my fighters and saw an LFM for Invaders! and thought, "Hmm. I could use a few more tokens to get my rogue a ring of balance."

However, I saw that rogue wasn't in the LFM. I messaged the leader, a ranger named Amtpia or something, asking why. His reply was that there were no traps in that quest.

I told him, "Ok. Gonna just squelch you now, so my rogue won't ever group with you," and promptly squelched him.

I suggest that's what all rogues do, and then when they need a rogue for a quest, then they'll be assed out.

[ertlif]

dude, my main is a cleric and even though regarding rogues im a noob (i only played my drow to lvl 8), as i was leveling and learning i saw some crazy DPS coming out of some other rogue's rapiers, and even though i gotta say pures are kinda squishy, they r still easy to heal (unless they get critted and immediatly sent to Valhalla)

Plus, the rogues that had some rgr or fig or brb lvls got enough HP and bab to kick serious arse.

In conclusion, GO ROGUES!

[gorloch]

they r still easy to heal (unless they get critted and immediatly sent to Valhalla)

In conclusion, GO ROGUES!

That is what a heavy fort item is for...



PIXA

[SquelchHU]

So on Thelanis yesterday and an LFM for Invaders elite is up, so i applied and was declined even though a rogue was in the LFM. So i sent a tell asking why. I will not name and shame the person but the converstion went like this.

Wondering why i was declined.

"No traps in here your a rogue"

Rogues just dont do traps you know

"Yes they do thats your job"

Actually i am an assassin build and yesterday did invaders elite and had the highest kills

"Must have been bad tanks in the party, Rogues only do traps thats it, it's your job"



At that point i had to laugh, the arrogance was amazing but the sheer blind stupidity of someone who has obviously never played a rogue was amazing.

Oh well went and did it with another group and had a blast.

And to the decliner in said thread, Guess what i had the highest kill count again, and had a nice completment about assassin builds. So dont worry about this rogue ever joining a one of your LFM's or any group you happen to be in..You know who you are.


Ent

Their loss, not yours. Assassins are awesome. It's the other kind of rogues that are gimp.

[Chai]

Kill count is based on getting the last hit with the little skull icon on it so in my opinion it means diddly squat. It is not a good measure of how much you are contributing.

The person who didnt let you in because youre a rogue is a fool. Most high end rogues can hold their own as far as roles they need to play in the party. They are not stuck with the one role of de-trapping a dungeon.

I have seen this type of discrimination in the shroud as well. someone tried to tell me rogues take too much damage and cant stay healed. All Harry does is spam delay blast fireball, which I save against 19/20 times. I can kill the fire elemental by myself, etc.

[MorningStarSE]

My only one rogue is here on T and he's also an assassin, so i support you in your crusade.

[Ministry]

Okay, once upon a time in this thread I pretty much stated what most people are expressing, the fact that turning down a Rogue, thinking they don't have DPS is just rediculous.

But...

Here's where I do have an issue with Rogues and all these Assassin builds. I'm on a team with my Paladin, a Rogue / Assassin, a Ranger and 3 spell casters.

I run in first with my GTWF Strength based Low AC damage dealing KotC and do wicked amounts of damage to mobs. The Rogue sneaks up and around and is just trying to "snipe" / assassinate things and the ranger is firing arrows from a safe distance.

The Cleric states, ****... your pally is taking a lot of damage.

I just about lost it and said, well... if I wasn't the only one in amongst the mobs, maybe I wouldn't be taking so much damage. The Ranger is ranging, the Rogue is sneaking and your Wizzy is FOD'ing *****.

Meanwhile, I'm doing tonnes of damage, have the most kills and still, the other two "melee" types are just picking their spots.

Okay... before you all freak out... Yes, that is their build and their role... I got it... BUT... depending on the team / quest / raid, etc... what is a safer bet when stacking a team that needs DPS?

I look at people hitting my LFM. I have a strong need for PURE DPS and see a Barbarian, Fighter, Pally and Rogue. I either have the choice to send tells to each of them to describe their builds, or just go with the odds and pick the Barb and Fighter over the Pally and Rogue.

It's a Shroud run and it turns out the Pally was a Str Based KotC and the Rogue was a str based WF freak that does crazy damage... but I don't know this.

I went with the odds and am probably safe. I would say I'm 50/50 on that. Most times I think that whatever team I make will succeed, and other times I'm just too lazy to think or care and just go with the odds.

So, there is why someone might just not pick the Rogue... 2 very good reasons... my experience with sniping Rogues that don't take any damage and I get some cleric whining about me taking all the damage and the odds of the Barb or Fighter most likely being str based and doing more damage overall than a Rogue I have no clue about.

Before people get up on their soapbox and call people Rogue haters (ya ya.... I'm sure I've done this) or don't know what they are talking about... consider the possible experiences people have been part of, the odds and poorly build Rogues.

I know I have taken Rogues when I don't care about who's filling the ranks after I have a few DPS'ers and am pleasently surprised to get a very solid DPS'ing Rogue, but it's rare that I will take one when I'm in dire need of DPS... unless I know the Rogue or Guild (one I know has players in their guild that know what they are doing) they are part of.

But, that is a little off topic from the original post that saw our OP reacting to some tard that thought Rogues were only for traps. Now that is still sad / funny. Has to be one of those F2P people that I've run into, way too many times since coming back online. A lot of these people are rude and stupid and most of us knew more than them in the first few weeks or month of playing. I understand how they got up so fast in levels... I just think it's sad that they can, based on the way the game is now.

This really makes me scrutinize who I'm on team with more than ever.

[Orratti]

From my experince with that quest the classic group of 3 melee, 1 healer, 1 caster, and 1 rogue is one of the weakest groups you can take into it anyway. Picking a melee over a rogue makes no difference whatsoever as it is one I'd rather take casters over melee anyday so a rogue would be be just as useful if not more so than a melee. My preferred group might be 3 casters, 1 bard, and 2 healers. But as shown by the completely rogue shroud party any well prepared group can just about handle anything there is no need to be single minded about party makup.

One of my favorite ways to quest is just take the first 5 guys to volunteer to go and then run it. Alot of times it also seems to be one of the best ways to form as those that are rigid thinkers will drop when they see that they are missing some class they feel they cannot live without on the run. Kind of a Darwinian natural selection removing those who can't handle it. No the runs are not always successful but I personally prefer challenge over easy completions anyway.

[Seelowe]

Ahh yes the gimp classes.... and why do they click on my lfm.....

Rouges/rogues -do traps only, guess we need one if there is a trap in the quest but just one or we will fail.
Wizards- not enough mana get a sorc
Sorc - No dps so only get one and all we need is FW,GH Haste, dont waste mana doing anything else.
Cleric - healer only, but probably not enough mana get a Favored soul or we will need 3 of them and lose dps.
Favored Soul- no dps, no DV's, are you a healer only we dont want anything else
Barbarian - dont rage will take too much damage and suck mana from healers and cant get their own curses
Paladin- no dps, must have full ac aura and just stand by main tank.
Ranger- weak dps, ranged attacks are useless and all rangers only use bows.
Fighters- bad will saves but as long as they have all str/con/intimidate with full plate armor and shield up.
Bard- use to buy scrolls for clerics, song buffs for beholders, otherwise useless
Monk- What is healing curse and aligning heavens, fists of what... doesn't matter all monks are gimped

Multi-class- all gimped and useless never take a multi-class. only pure classes.
Warforged - cleric can't heal them, no WF unless you bring pots to heal yourself.

and they wonder why they never get their quests going...????

couldn't help but qft.