How much of a dumb-ass do you have to be...

[deathtouch]

... to turn down a 18/2 paladin/rogue for a normal Shroud run full of 20th level characters?

Note that this person was looking for "DPS" and only had fighters and barbarians listed in the LFM...

Ha,Im just glad he did not include any of them gimpy rangers either, everyone knows the only deeeppppsssss is fighters and barbarians!

Sometimes I wonder about party makeups, just be glad though you did not join.

[Robi3.0]

Something similar happened to me on my low level pally. I tried to join a group for The Pit and was declined. The leader set me a tell stating that he already had a paladin. I responded "So you feel you have to much DPS then?" Then I went and soloed Delera's for a bit. I didn't want to group with someone who obliviously has no clue what is going on anyway.

[Vhlad]

... to turn down a 18/2 paladin/rogue for a normal Shroud run full of 20th level characters?

Note that this person was looking for "DPS" and only had fighters and barbarians listed in the LFM...

It's like my str-based dwarf TWF ranger years ago. Back then most rangers were ranged, or low DPS low AC low hp finesse builds. So I was often not accepted in groups looking for melee/DPS simply due to how terrible most rangers were at the time. The way around it was to specifically send a /tell listing hp, str, weapons. At least nowadays we can myddo people. You didn't have a shield equipped when the group leader myddo'd you, did you?

Well, actually if the group leader just had fighters and barbs selected he was probably just a noob and wasn't myddoing anyone. If you feel you must have good DPS it's better to leave it open for any potential DPS class but myddo people you don't know if they're in a guild you don't know.

There are a lot of new players hitting end-game now and in many cases they don't know what bypasses pit fiend DR and/or don't have a suitable weapon. So when you're doing 8 consecutive runs and if you get 3 poorly built DPS that follow you from run to run, which results in you getting 105+ kills on part 1 (instead of 80-100 kills) and part 4 takes 2 rounds, you're adding maybe 4 minutes per run. And that's 30+ minutes wasted by the end of your session. If that happens every 3 days for 1 month that's over 5 hours of your monthly leisure time being wasted. So call me a big meany if you want, but if I'm filling a pure pug shroud and I see someone with a +2 icy burst longsword of pure good and a shield hit my LFM, I'll ask what weapon they plan to use vs. the pit fiend. If they answer with a poor choice or don't answer at all, I'll decline and tell them to look for a holy/silver or metalline/pure good or silver/pure good (or metalline or silver if they're a 20 pally). Of course sometimes after you say that you have a new player who goes out and buys a metalline longbow of pure good and tries to join again, or they buy 1 weapon with metalline for one hand and 1 weapon with holy for the other hand and say they're good to go. Urgh, you can't win!

Anyway, back on topic, there are still a lot of poorly built paladins out there, who waste item slots on shields and +5 protection items even though they only have 40AC. As more power gamers build DPS paladins or proper intims/tanks, the stigma against paladins will fade, as it did with rangers.

[Anderei]

that's over 5 hours of your monthly leisure time being wasted

Oh the nooz! Time in an online game just *wasted* ...

I can't stop to continue to wonder about the stress mentality some people have. Regarding the way you look at it: time in DDO is either 100% wasted or 0% wasted (when you're having fun)

Oh yes now flame me away. [And yes I can understand why good players zerg e.g. deleras and don't want to fight every mob, especially on TR wanting to get at high lvlers soon. But adding up 4 "wasted" game minutes per run to a terrible wasted time of 5 hours per month... thats just... I cannot cope with this. ]

[Cyr]

Oh no someone did not want your toon in a raid Seriously, people make dumb group make up decisions all the time. Is it really needed to post threads about it all the time complaining about it.

[Vhlad]

Oh the nooz! Time in an online game just *wasted* ...

I can't stop to continue to wonder about the stress mentality some people have. Regarding the way you look at it: time in DDO is either 100% wasted or 0% wasted (when you're having fun)

Oh yes now flame me away. [And yes I can understand why good players zerg e.g. deleras and don't want to fight every mob, especially on TR wanting to get at high lvlers soon. But adding up 4 "wasted" game minutes per run to a terrible wasted time of 5 hours per month... thats just... I cannot cope with this. ]

LOL! Must maximize efficiency!

PS. You think someone doing 8 consecutive shrouds is there to have fun & smell the roses? At that point, it's all about loot/time. Well, actually, sub 25 minute runs are fun. After so much repetition the only way to not fall asleep is to keep moving, no delays! Buff on the run!

[Alter]

Maybe they didn't like your name.

Youshould change it to something more spiffy and bold.


MAX POWER - for example.

[Anderei]

Maybe they didn't like your name.

Youshould change it to something more spiffy and bold.


MAX POWER - for example.

Or something that shows your l33t noob skils by mistyping LoTR names.
Aragooooo0ooon

[Vhlad]

Maybe they didn't like your name.

Youshould change it to something more spiffy and bold.


MAX POWER - for example.

I know someone whos last name is Power. He named his dog Max.

[AkromaAoW]

maybe he my.ddo.com'd you and didn't like what he saw?

LOL... based on myddo, I'd likely be refused for a normal waterworks run...but I have largely quit caring about such things. Actually, I've quit caring about many things (and many people) in DDOdom.

I regret to hear about the Pali/Rogue rejection. I haven't been pugging anything but the shroud since EU dropped, maybe a half dozen non shroud pugs since. I found that joining a guild with some nice folks and leaving the rest of DDO-dom behind got rid of most of my headaches. Perhaps Illl feel different one day, but that's the way it is for now. Still, I did attempt to join a NORMAL Gianthold Tor run last week, and I was declined. The LFM poster wrote me to say that he wanted DPS. Its just one of those times that something struck me as extremely funny, and I laughed and laughed until I had tears in my eyes. After a few minutes, I politely offered my future assistance if the current run went south, and that was that. As I wrote above, I really just quit caring about such things, but I did greatly enjoy the humor of the encounter. In any case, OP, perhaps a guild that matches your disposition and play style/goals might be worth considering.

[Aspenor]

There aren't any doors in the Shroud. Paladins are for doorstopping. Duh.

[Mithran]

... to turn down a 18/2 paladin/rogue for a normal Shroud run full of 20th level characters?

Note that this person was looking for "DPS" and only had fighters and barbarians listed in the LFM...

It's scary to me how common this level of ignorance is, in raid builders. At one point, I'd considered adding everyone who posted one of these to my /Squelch list, but it happens that many more will exclude Paladins for 'tanking,' too.

[Bunker]

You guys still talking about 1 player being denied in 1 shroud group, out of the hundreds of shrouds that happen each day?

Rejected
Join new group
Rejected
Start own group

Now if you get rejected from your own group, it is time for hello kitty. Aside from that, put on some man pants and go to work.

[Skani]

At least nowadays we can myddo people. You didn't have a shield equipped when the group leader myddo'd you, did you?

For newbies who gonna read that, and use myddo to "inspect" other chars - remember, that Myddo isnt updated in real time. From what I saw, profile is updated every time the character logout (if there was any changes in gear/stat between logouts), so you cant use it to check what the character have at the time you are checking him (if hes online at this time). It can be usefull to check other characters, but after that, if u see some weird things, dont forget to send tell to the "inspected" character about those things (like Vhlad did, when he saw ice sword/s&b). Declining some1 just because he wear shield in MyDDO would be silly

Just my 2 cop.

[Phidius]

LFM: Looking for DPS
Me (13/6/1 Rog/Rgr/Fig): Sending join request
LFM poster: Dude, we're looking for DPS, no traps in the quest for you

...

Did you thank him? I always thank people when they send me a tell with the decline - or even if they simply hit the Decline button

[Kahuna68]

LFM: Looking for DPS
Me (13/6/1 Rog/Rgr/Fig): Sending join request
LFM poster: Dude, we're looking for DPS, no traps in the quest for you

...

+1 for that! If I could have, I would have given you another +1, for that sig!

[Zippo]

The real question is who needs only 20s for a normal shroud run.

This is what I was wondering.

[Zippo]

That's not the same thing. There were, and are, a lot of bad (full/primary) monk builds and bad monk players. A better analogy would be Rangers 3+ years ago.

Just a thought - what if they just didn't want you? I haven't a clue about whether anybody would or would not want you or your character in a raid or quest but anything is possible whether. Sense or reason may not be part of the story.

Don't forget about the WF love (sarcasm for those who don't get it) at the time too.

[Vhlad]

You guys still talking about 1 player being denied in 1 shroud group, out of the hundreds of shrouds that happen each day?

Rejected
Join new group
Rejected
Start own group

Now if you get rejected from your own group, it is time for hello kitty. Aside from that, put on some man pants and go to work.

*hits bunks lfm*
Vhlad has joined the party
Vhlad says: "Hey bunk pass the star"
*ding* bunk has been removed from party

OHH SNAP! Rejected from own group! Hello kitty time!

[Thrudh]

You guys still talking about 1 player being denied in 1 shroud group, out of the hundreds of shrouds that happen each day?

Rejected
Join new group
Rejected
Start own group

Now if you get rejected from your own group, it is time for hello kitty. Aside from that, put on some man pants and go to work.

Oh I found another group right away...

I'm just pointing out the craziness of it all... Not really a complaining post... just a funny thing happened to me on the way to work kind of post...

Turning down a TWF KotC paladin (who is guarenteed to have DR beating weapons) for the Shroud is like turning down a wizard for Shadow Crypt...

And no one knows that this paladin is run by Thrudh, and myddo.com shows plenty of Shroud and raid gear...

Basically, the leader was just an idiot, but I guess you all already knew there are idiots in this game, right?