XP required for reincarnates needs to be lowered

[xTethx]

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Like I've said before the XP is there and you want an easy way out? No way, learn to power lvl or dont do reincarnate its thats simple.

[Draccus]

I've almost finished my first TR. It has been a joy. I think I enjoyed TR'ing from 1 to 20 more than I enjoyed my first trip from 1 to 20. Reliving all those quests on my main, favorite character has been great.

I've been asked quite a bit if I'm going to do a second TR. My response is absolutely NOT. If the XP penalty was the same for the second as the first, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But the penalty for the second is just too high to make it enjoyable.

Why even make it harder than the first TR? Since the 3rd TR is the same XP as the second, it's not like there's some sort of balance issue. Make all TR's the same XP as the first and you'll have a LOT more people TR'ing a second time.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I hate grinds. When TR was all we had to fix characters I agreed with you. But with LR+3 & GR+3 soon to be available TR becomes only a voluntary choice if you wish to make a minor improvement in your char. Would I mind if it was no extra xp on the first TR and 50% extra on the second? Nope, that would be nice. In fact Turbine would make more money that way. But is it a big deal? Naw. The first TR anyway isn't THAT bad, and at least they were wise enough to put most of the grind at higher levels when the chars are fun to play.

[Draccus]

The first TR anyway isn't THAT bad, and at least they were wise enough to put most of the grind at higher levels when the chars are fun to play.

Very true. I basically stopped "grinding" at level 16. I ran what I wanted to run when I wanted to run it and didn't pay any attention to level or XP or being powerleveled or over-level penalties, etc. I started playing like I would have been playing had I not TR'd.

The XP keeps coming in and I'll cap without even realizing it in a week or so.

[Crann]

Going back through previous DDO Casts, on one of the November shows, I believe it was a Dev that stated there were 1.7 million xp just in Wilderness areas, without ever setting foot in a dungeon. There was also enough xp to cap a character by doing each quest on normal. I think people who are having trouble with the increased xp requirements need to re-evaluate the purpose of True Reincarnation.

[Battleworm]

Going back through previous DDO Casts, on one of the November shows, I believe it was a Dev that stated there were 1.7 million xp just in Wilderness areas, without ever setting foot in a dungeon. There was also enough xp to cap a character by doing each quest on normal. I think people who are having trouble with the increased xp requirements need to re-evaluate the purpose of True Reincarnation.

I love people saying stuff like this because i know they don't grasp how long it is to cap slayers in wilderness area...Do you have any idea of how long it takes to get 5000 shavarath and lamannians in meridia?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I love people saying stuff like this because i know they don't grasp how long it is to cap slayers in wilderness area...Do you have any idea of how long it takes to get 5000 shavarath and lamannians in meridia?

I hate slayers, I find them boring. However, I do know several people that do cap them out and man they level quickly.

[Hendrik]

Why do all the new quests have garbage xp?

Extremely short and extremely easy would be my guess.

[zealous]

you know what....

Eladrin an co. should just give us all the dev God mode. Instant whatclass we want with whateverskills we want, wherever we want. Yes. That is such a good way to keep things interesting and fun.

Capping a TR is a matter of a week of hardcore leveling. A 2xTR is maybe 2 weeks. So if you don't play it hardcore, maybe twice that time.

To the OP. There is a very simple solution to the XP grind. Don't make TR characters. You want all the benefits without paying for it--don't like the investment of time? Don't choose that path. Or you can plan your leveling up process a bit better and find that it is possible to cap a TR without even hitting Amrath quests.

Well I think it would actually be possible to cap a 2xTR in a day, would need 4 really hardcore buddies and some cheesy tactics though.

[Josh]

Well I think it would actually be possible to cap a 2xTR in a day, would need 4 really hardcore buddies and some cheesy tactics though.

Maths?

[Ironforge_Clan]

you know what....

Eladrin an co. should just give us all the dev God mode. Instant whatclass we want with whateverskills we want, wherever we want. Yes. That is such a good way to keep things interesting and fun.

Capping a TR is a matter of a week of hardcore leveling. A 2xTR is maybe 2 weeks. So if you don't play it hardcore, maybe twice that time.

To the OP. There is a very simple solution to the XP grind. Don't make TR characters. You want all the benefits without paying for it--don't like the investment of time? Don't choose that path. Or you can plan your leveling up process a bit better and find that it is possible to cap a TR without even hitting Amrath quests.

I disagree with ya on this one Clay. I'm not hardcore by any stretch of the imagination but 2 weeks? I has taken a bit longer for me but if you don't have a life outside of DDO then it might be possible.

Just so were clear, my comment isn't a slap against you or whether you have a life outside this game. I just don't think your experiences are the norm.

Why do all the new quests have garbage xp?

This is by design and we have been told this. It is to make the journey from 16 to 20 last longer than a few days.

[Ironforge_Clan]

I hate slayers, I find them boring. However, I do know several people that do cap them out and man they level quickly.

I agree...extremely boring but both a great time sink when nothing is going on and do help with the accumulation of xp.

[Zenako]

As many have pointed out, there IS plenty of EXP available in the course of running the game to support TR, 2XTR and more. That some of it might involve running quests not on the short list is not the developers problem. It is a problem for someone removing a chunk of the game from consideration.

Explorer areas are a part of the game and do generate large amounts of experience. If your sole goal of a TR is to rush to CAP and over and again, you are probably no more bored than you would be doing that same thing with any character. Just enjoy the ride and stuff.

The EXP for the new quests is really in line with the challenges within. They are mostly short and "easy" and as such reflect that with the size of the EXP. I would also recommend someone worried about enough EXP for TR'ing to seriously investigate the optional awards on quests. Many of them are quite sizeable and worth the effort even on a pure EXP/Min basis. They often can be worth more than 50% of the quest EXP itself. (last night in a group doing Madstone, and got ~4500 on the optionals and a tick under 9000 for the quest (no first time bonus on that character left). Those optionals did not add a lot of time.

[Thucydides04]

Just my $.02, I think some of the upper level quests need to have the amount of xp rewarded for completing revisited. I find it hard to believe that I can net as much xp from a xorian run as I can from devils or PoP. I mean shouldn't level 16 quests give level 16 type xp and level 8 quests level 8 xp. (P.S. Please do not nerf the xp in Xorian or any other quests.)

[Battleworm]

Just my $.02, I think some of the upper level quests need to have the amount of xp rewarded for completing revisited. I find it hard to believe that I can net as much xp from a xorian run as I can from devils or PoP. I mean shouldn't level 16 quests give level 16 type xp and level 8 quests level 8 xp. (P.S. Please do not nerf the xp in Xorian or any other quests.)

Yup.I said in another thread that it's ******** a lvl 8 quest (shadow crypt) is the best xp in the whole game.

[Zenako]

Rants on quest EXP should be based on facts...

Here is the BASE Normal Setting EXP for quests, sorted by most to least. (Based on recent settings)

Level	Base XP	Name
11	12100	Twilight Forge
17	11540	The Thirteen Eclipse: The Shroud
10	11500	The Vault of the Night (VON 5)
9	9820	The Shadow Crypt
16	9300	The Coalescence Chamber
17	9252	Stealer of Souls
19	9172	A New Invasion
19	9060	Genesis Point
17	8835	Enter the Kobold
15	8740	Litany of the Dead
16	8433	Rainbow in the Dark
17	8420	Monastery of the Scorpion
14	8380	The Crucible
18	8200	A Vision of Destruction
18	8200	Hound of Xoriat
7	7780	The Pit
16	7433	Ritual Sacrifice
11	7300	Tomb of the Tormented
9	7199	The Jungle of Khyber (VON 3b)
19	7156	Sins of Attrition
16	7099	Running with the Devils
14	6969	Madstone Crator
12	6819	The Cursed Crypt
16	6766	Let Sleeping Dust Lie
14	6540	The Reavers Fate
10	6484	Tempest's Spine
14	6448	Ghosts of Perdition
12	6399	Against the Demon Queen
12	6399	The Chamber of Raiyum
14	6356	Gianthold Tor
17	6340	Prey on the Hunter
14	5896	Inferno of the Damned
12	5699	A Relic of a Sovereign Past
10	5698	Escort the Expedition
14	5344	Desecrated Temple of Vol
14	5344	Flesh Maker's Laboratory
11	5300	An Offering of Blood
11	5300	The Enemy Within
6	5200	The Bloody Crypt
12	5140	Zawabi's Revenge
19	5140	Bastion of Power
13	5086	A Cry for Help
11	4900	Tomb of the Blighted
15	4900	Ascension Chamber
20	4798	The Dreaming Dark
13	4795	Feast or Famine
11	4660	Tomb of the Forbidden
8	4622	Thrall of the Necromancer (DT 4)
7	4558	The Missing Party (DT 2)
8	4520	The Xorian Cipher
12	4468	The Chains of Flame
18	4312	In The Demon's Den
19	4300	Eye of the Titan
12	4299	Invaders!
14	4246	The Prison of the Planes
13	4206	Trial by Fire
8	4180	Tomb of the Shadow King
11	4180	Dreams of Insanity
11	4180	Tomb of the Unhallowed
18	4150	I Dream of Jeets
18	4150	The Shipwrecked Spy
15	4132	Acid Wit
13	4089	Foundation of Discord
9	4079	Haywire Foundry (VON 4)
19	3964	Mining for Ancient Secrets
19	3964	Reclaiming Memories
7	3940	Gwylan's Stand
7	3940	The Tear of Dhakaan
10	3900	Bring Me the Head of Ghola-Fan!
10	3900	Slavers of the Shrieking Mines
15	3844	Delirium
18	3826	Dream Conspiracy
18	3826	Finding the Path
18	3826	The Mindsunder
8	3772	Tomb of the Shadow Guard
8	3772	Tomb of the Shadow Knight
11	3700	The Spawn of Whisperdoom
11	3700	And the Dead Shall Rise…
8	3636	Stormcleave Outpost
13	3620	The Maze of Madness
19	3460	The Weapons Shipment
19	3440	Raiding the Giants Vault (solo)
11	3220	Made to Order
11	3166	Maraud the Mines
8	3160	The Prisoner (VON 2)
10	3140	Reclamation
10	3140	Skyros Jewel
13	3092	A Cabal for One
8	2990	The Rescue
8	2956	Haunted Library
8	2955	Tomb of the Shadow Lord
10	2760	Hiding in Plain Sight (HIPS)
8	2752	Stromvauld's Mine
12	2620	The Titan Awakes
4	2596	Proof is in the Poison
11	2500	Purge the Fallen Shrine
13	2476	Mired in Kobolds
19	2321	Wrath of the Flame
9	2260	Entering the Gate Chamber
10	2152	Secure the Area
7	2148	Free Delera (DT 3)
8	2140	Caverns of Korromar
11	2100	Raid the Vulkoorim
6	2080	Redwillow's Ruins
9	2044	Fane of the Six: Fall of the Prelate (CO6 8)
8	2038	Faithful Departed
10	2038	The Sanctum: Church of the Fury
10	2038	The Sanctum: Quench the Flames
5	2004	Halls of Shan-To-Kor (STK 3)
8	2004	Tharashk Arena (VON 1)
10	2000	Plane of the Night (VON 6)
9	1936	Fane of the Six: Cleansing the Temple (CO6 7)
6	1900	The Devils Assault
4	1867	The Cloven-jaw Scourge: The Caverns of Shaagh (STK 2)
4	1798	Venn's Trail: Clann Tunnelworm
9	1779	The Church and the Cult
4	1764	The Stones Run Red (FC 1)
5	1742	The Mystery of Delera's Tomb (DT 1)
8	1732	The Temple Outpost: The Libram of the Six (CO6 2)
9	1720	The Missing Expedition
11	1700	Desert Caravan
6	1660	Taming the Flames
6	1630	Gladewatch Outpost Defense
9	1612	The Keeper's Sanctuary
6	1600	Dead Girl's Spellbook - Valak's Masuoleum
5	1556	Tomb of the Crimson Heart
5	1556	Tomb of the Immortal Heart
5	1556	Tomb of the Sanguine Heart
4	1504	Irestone Inlet
11	1433	The Chamber of Kourush
8	1426	The Temple Outpost: Captives of the Cult (CO6 1)
2	1420	Misery's Peak
7	1390	Old Grey Garl (GG 2)
7	1380	The Grey Moon's Den: Trollish Scourge (GM 3)
7	1380	The Scoundrel's Run
5	1369	Deadly Package: The Stronghold Key (TR 5)
10	1366	The Chamber of Rahmat
5	1360	Tomb of the Burning Heart
6	1360	Ruined Halls
3	1348	The Kobold's Den: Rescuing Arlos
3	1348	The Swiped Signet
6	1300	The Bounty Hunter
11	1300	From Beyond the Grave
6	1290	Doom of the Witch Doctor: Zulkash Herlad of Woe (TR 8)
7	1252	The Last Move: Yarkuch's Last Stand (TR 10)
2	1244	The Kobold's New Ringleader
3	1244	The Sacred Helm (STK SQ)
5	1220	Ghost of a Chance
5	1220	The Legend of Two Toed Tobias
6	1220	Doom of the Witch Doctor: The Way to Zullash (TR 7)
7	1220	The Grey Moon's Den: Extermination (GM 4)
4	1209	Whisperdoom's Spawn (TR 4)
2	1148	Walk the Butcher's Path
3	1140	The Cloven-jaw Scourge: Blockade (STK 1)
7	1124	The Graverobber
6	1090	Forgotten Caverns
6	1090	The Troglodytes' Get (GG 1)
4	1070	Yarkuch's War Plans (TR 3)
3	1068	The Crypt of Gerard Dryden (CC 4)
3	1060	The Kobold's Den: Clan Gnashtooth
4	1036	Rest for the Restless
5	1024	Brood of Flame (FC 2)
4	1001	Freshen the Air
3	996	Return to the Sanctuary (CC 2)
5	996	The Lair of Summoning
2	980	Information is Key
2	972	Stealthy Repossesion
4	966	The Bookbinder Rescue
3	932	Where There's Smoke
5	921	Prove Your Worth
3	916	Setting the Wards: The Patriarchs' Crypt (CC 6)
9	916	The Library of Threnal
2	906	Durk's Got a Secret
4	888	Venn's Trail: Venn's Fate
5	884	The Chamber of Insanity
6	880	The Iron Mines: Justice for Grust (GM 2)
3	868	The Captives
2	862	Recovering the Lost Tome
5	856	The Depths of Discord
5	846	Deadly Package: Agent of the Darguul (TR 6)
3	820	Setting the Wards: Lower Cathedral (CC 5)
3	820	The Hobgoblins' Captives (TR 2)
3	820	The Old Archives (CC 3)
6	820	Caged Trolls
4	802	The Depths of Darkness
4	793	Come Out and Slay
4	793	Reposession
4	793	Dirty Laundry
4	793	Stand Your Ground
4	793	The Stormreaver Fresco
10	784	Hold for Reinforcements
8	780	In Need of Supplies
3	772	First Strike (TR 1)
5	772	Archer Point Defense
5	772	The Depths of Doom
6	760	Mirra's Sleepless Nights
2	759	Garrison's Missing Pack
3	748	Redfang the Unruled
3	740	Kobold Assault
1	699	The Collaborator (Taking Stock)
2	694	The Smuggler's Warehouse
8	689	The Path to Madness
6	650	Dead Predators
6	650	Purge the Heretics
4	645	The Depths of Despair
2	628	Retrieve the Stolen Goods
9	624	Gateway to Khyber (VON 3a)
10	620	The Gate Chamber
7	612	The Last Move: The Way to Yarkuch (TR 9)
3	580	Endgame: Marguerite (CC 7)
5	548	Guard Duty
1	540	Redemption (Steal the Healing Elixir)
1	540	Sacrifices (Sewer Rescue)
1	540	Stopping the Sahuagin (Survive the Low Road)
6	520	The Iron Mines: Freeing Achka (GM 1)
3	516	The Friar's Niece (CC 1)
2	510	Missing in Action
2	496	The Sunken Sewer
2	408	Protect Baudry's Interests
2	364	Stop Hazadill's Shipment
1	320	Necromancer's Doom (The Missing Ward)
1	313	Heytons Rest (Quest for the Ancient Daggers)
2	298	Bringing the Light
2	273	The Miller's Debt
1	260	The Storehouse's Secret (Search for the Rare Scrolls)
1	220	The Cannith Crystal (A Matter of Protection)
3	220	An Explosive Situation
1	183	Thwarting the Threat
3	182	Home Sweet Sewer
2	173	Arachnophobia
2	155	Defend Haverdasher
4	104	Endgame: Archbishop's Fate (CC 8)

Experience earned in DDO and D&D is not absolute but relative to the challenge faced. That is why you have the over level penalties, the 18th character faces no real challenge in the Shadow Crypt and would actually get 0. But a group of 9th level character can be severely challenged in that quest. The End quests in the Necro are all high EXP (the Bloody Crypt for example) and all tend to be fairly long to complete.

[Shaamis]

I am having a ton of fun, and a new purpose in playing while I am leveling Shaamis through his first TR.

I am leading more guild runs, meeting new players, having fun planning how I will progress through on the available wilderness/quests at each level, so I dont get in a bad situation when I get to higher levels. I'll have plenty of reps on all of the raids when I get to the appropriate level for them.

And I share sentiment that there is a ton of XP to be had if you do the quests you normally dont do, such as house Jorasco quests OTHER than Delera's, House D quests OTHER than Depths/Stormcleave, and House P quests (ALL).

Shaamis has already reached 9th level, and I have yet to do Threnal, Co6, Stormcleave, Gwylan's Stand, OR Delera's. I am purposely avoiding all of the major XP runs, so I can always hit them when I need the XP later.

If you are grinding for TR XP, of course you are going to complain about the additional XP required, but if you really enjoy playing your capped mains, like I do, then it's just a more scenic trip, which isnt all that bad......

I do plan on TR'ing a second, third, or fourth time, and not against increased XP costs, as long as it's possible to attain that XP in one characters lifetime.

The rewards should also fit the task. The scenic route is fun, but if the reward isnt worth it, then it starts to feel like you are carrying a large boulder on your back, for no reason.

[Zenako]

Following on...

A table with the EXP/Level of Quest, sorted from most to least

Level	Base XP	Base/Lvl	Name
10	11500	1150	The Vault of the Night (VON 5)
7	7780	1111	The Pit
11	12100	1100	Twilight Forge
9	9820	1091	The Shadow Crypt
6	5200	867	The Bloody Crypt
9	7199	800	The Jungle of Khyber (VON 3b)
2	1420	710	Misery's Peak
1	699	699	The Collaborator (Taking Stock)
17	11540	679	The Thirteen Eclipse: The Shroud
11	7300	664	Tomb of the Tormented
7	4558	651	The Missing Party (DT 2)
4	2596	649	Proof is in the Poison
10	6484	648	Tempest's Spine
2	1244	622	The Kobold's New Ringleader
14	8380	599	The Crucible
15	8740	583	Litany of the Dead
16	9300	581	The Coalescence Chamber
8	4622	578	Thrall of the Necromancer (DT 4)
2	1148	574	Walk the Butcher's Path
10	5698	570	Escort the Expedition
12	6819	568	The Cursed Crypt
8	4520	565	The Xorian Cipher
7	3940	563	Gwylan's Stand
7	3940	563	The Tear of Dhakaan
17	9252	544	Stealer of Souls
1	540	540	Redemption (Steal the Healing Elixir)
1	540	540	Sacrifices (Sewer Rescue)
1	540	540	Stopping the Sahuagin (Survive the Low Road)
12	6399	533	Against the Demon Queen
12	6399	533	The Chamber of Raiyum
16	8433	527	Rainbow in the Dark
8	4180	523	Tomb of the Shadow King
17	8835	520	Enter the Kobold
14	6969	498	Madstone Crator
17	8420	495	Monastery of the Scorpion
2	980	490	Information is Key
2	972	486	Stealthy Repossesion
19	9172	483	A New Invasion
11	5300	482	An Offering of Blood
11	5300	482	The Enemy Within
19	9060	477	Genesis Point
12	5699	475	A Relic of a Sovereign Past
8	3772	472	Tomb of the Shadow Guard
8	3772	472	Tomb of the Shadow Knight
14	6540	467	The Reavers Fate
4	1867	467	The Cloven-jaw Scourge: The Caverns of Shaagh (STK 2)
16	7433	465	Ritual Sacrifice
14	6448	461	Ghosts of Perdition
18	8200	456	A Vision of Destruction
18	8200	456	Hound of Xoriat
8	3636	455	Stormcleave Outpost
14	6356	454	Gianthold Tor
9	4079	453	Haywire Foundry (VON 4)
2	906	453	Durk's Got a Secret
4	1798	450	Venn's Trail: Clann Tunnelworm
3	1348	449	The Kobold's Den: Rescuing Arlos
3	1348	449	The Swiped Signet
11	4900	445	Tomb of the Blighted
16	7099	444	Running with the Devils
4	1764	441	The Stones Run Red (FC 1)
2	862	431	Recovering the Lost Tome
12	5140	428	Zawabi's Revenge
11	4660	424	Tomb of the Forbidden
16	6766	423	Let Sleeping Dust Lie
14	5896	421	Inferno of the Damned
3	1244	415	The Sacred Helm (STK SQ)
5	2004	401	Halls of Shan-To-Kor (STK 3)
8	3160	395	The Prisoner (VON 2)
13	5086	391	A Cry for Help
10	3900	390	Bring Me the Head of Ghola-Fan!
10	3900	390	Slavers of the Shrieking Mines
14	5344	382	Desecrated Temple of Vol
14	5344	382	Flesh Maker's Laboratory
3	1140	380	The Cloven-jaw Scourge: Blockade (STK 1)
11	4180	380	Dreams of Insanity
11	4180	380	Tomb of the Unhallowed
2	759	380	Garrison's Missing Pack
19	7156	377	Sins of Attrition
4	1504	376	Irestone Inlet
8	2990	374	The Rescue
17	6340	373	Prey on the Hunter
12	4468	372	The Chains of Flame
8	2956	370	Haunted Library
8	2955	369	Tomb of the Shadow Lord
13	4795	369	Feast or Famine
12	4299	358	Invaders!
3	1068	356	The Crypt of Gerard Dryden (CC 4)
3	1060	353	The Kobold's Den: Clan Gnashtooth
5	1742	348	The Mystery of Delera's Tomb (DT 1)
2	694	347	The Smuggler's Warehouse
6	2080	347	Redwillow's Ruins
8	2752	344	Stromvauld's Mine
11	3700	336	The Spawn of Whisperdoom
11	3700	336	And the Dead Shall Rise…
3	996	332	Return to the Sanctuary (CC 2)
15	4900	327	Ascension Chamber
13	4206	324	Trial by Fire
1	320	320	Necromancer's Doom (The Missing Ward)
6	1900	317	The Devils Assault
13	4089	315	Foundation of Discord
2	628	314	Retrieve the Stolen Goods
10	3140	314	Reclamation
10	3140	314	Skyros Jewel
1	313	313	Heytons Rest (Quest for the Ancient Daggers)
5	1556	311	Tomb of the Crimson Heart
5	1556	311	Tomb of the Immortal Heart
5	1556	311	Tomb of the Sanguine Heart
3	932	311	Where There's Smoke
7	2148	307	Free Delera (DT 3)
3	916	305	Setting the Wards: The Patriarchs' Crypt (CC 6)
14	4246	303	The Prison of the Planes
4	1209	302	Whisperdoom's Spawn (TR 4)
11	3220	293	Made to Order
3	868	289	The Captives
11	3166	288	Maraud the Mines
13	3620	278	The Maze of Madness
6	1660	277	Taming the Flames
10	2760	276	Hiding in Plain Sight (HIPS)
15	4132	275	Acid Wit
5	1369	274	Deadly Package: The Stronghold Key (TR 5)
3	820	273	Setting the Wards: Lower Cathedral (CC 5)
3	820	273	The Hobgoblins' Captives (TR 2)
3	820	273	The Old Archives (CC 3)
5	1360	272	Tomb of the Burning Heart
6	1630	272	Gladewatch Outpost Defense
19	5140	271	Bastion of Power
4	1070	268	Yarkuch's War Plans (TR 3)
8	2140	268	Caverns of Korromar
6	1600	267	Dead Girl's Spellbook - Valak's Masuoleum
1	260	260	The Storehouse's Secret (Search for the Rare Scrolls)
4	1036	259	Rest for the Restless
3	772	257	First Strike (TR 1)
15	3844	256	Delirium
2	510	255	Missing in Action
8	2038	255	Faithful Departed
9	2260	251	Entering the Gate Chamber
8	2004	251	Tharashk Arena (VON 1)
4	1001	250	Freshen the Air
3	748	249	Redfang the Unruled
2	496	248	The Sunken Sewer
3	740	247	Kobold Assault
5	1220	244	Ghost of a Chance
5	1220	244	The Legend of Two Toed Tobias
4	966	242	The Bookbinder Rescue
20	4798	240	The Dreaming Dark
18	4312	240	In The Demon's Den
13	3092	238	A Cabal for One
18	4150	231	I Dream of Jeets
18	4150	231	The Shipwrecked Spy
11	2500	227	Purge the Fallen Shrine
9	2044	227	Fane of the Six: Fall of the Prelate (CO6 8)
6	1360	227	Ruined Halls
19	4300	226	Eye of the Titan
4	888	222	Venn's Trail: Venn's Fate
1	220	220	The Cannith Crystal (A Matter of Protection)
12	2620	218	The Titan Awakes
6	1300	217	The Bounty Hunter
8	1732	217	The Temple Outpost: The Libram of the Six (CO6 2)
10	2152	215	Secure the Area
9	1936	215	Fane of the Six: Cleansing the Temple (CO6 7)
6	1290	215	Doom of the Witch Doctor: Zulkash Herlad of Woe (TR 8)
18	3826	213	Dream Conspiracy
18	3826	213	Finding the Path
18	3826	213	The Mindsunder
19	3964	209	Mining for Ancient Secrets
19	3964	209	Reclaiming Memories
5	1024	205	Brood of Flame (FC 2)
2	408	204	Protect Baudry's Interests
10	2038	204	The Sanctum: Church of the Fury
10	2038	204	The Sanctum: Quench the Flames
6	1220	203	Doom of the Witch Doctor: The Way to Zullash (TR 7)
4	802	201	The Depths of Darkness
10	2000	200	Plane of the Night (VON 6)
5	996	199	The Lair of Summoning
7	1390	199	Old Grey Garl (GG 2)
4	793	198	Come Out and Slay
4	793	198	Reposession
4	793	198	Dirty Laundry
4	793	198	Stand Your Ground
4	793	198	The Stormreaver Fresco
9	1779	198	The Church and the Cult
7	1380	197	The Grey Moon's Den: Trollish Scourge (GM 3)
7	1380	197	The Scoundrel's Run
3	580	193	Endgame: Marguerite (CC 7)
9	1720	191	The Missing Expedition
11	2100	191	Raid the Vulkoorim
13	2476	190	Mired in Kobolds
5	921	184	Prove Your Worth
1	183	183	Thwarting the Threat
19	3460	182	The Weapons Shipment
2	364	182	Stop Hazadill's Shipment
6	1090	182	Forgotten Caverns
6	1090	182	The Troglodytes' Get (GG 1)
19	3440	181	Raiding the Giants Vault (solo)
9	1612	179	The Keeper's Sanctuary
7	1252	179	The Last Move: Yarkuch's Last Stand (TR 10)
8	1426	178	The Temple Outpost: Captives of the Cult (CO6 1)
5	884	177	The Chamber of Insanity
7	1220	174	The Grey Moon's Den: Extermination (GM 4)
3	516	172	The Friar's Niece (CC 1)
5	856	171	The Depths of Discord
5	846	169	Deadly Package: Agent of the Darguul (TR 6)
4	645	161	The Depths of Despair
7	1124	161	The Graverobber
11	1700	155	Desert Caravan
5	772	154	Archer Point Defense
5	772	154	The Depths of Doom
2	298	149	Bringing the Light
6	880	147	The Iron Mines: Justice for Grust (GM 2)
6	820	137	Caged Trolls
10	1366	137	The Chamber of Rahmat
2	273	137	The Miller's Debt
11	1433	130	The Chamber of Kourush
6	760	127	Mirra's Sleepless Nights
19	2321	122	Wrath of the Flame
11	1300	118	From Beyond the Grave
5	548	110	Guard Duty
6	650	108	Dead Predators
6	650	108	Purge the Heretics
9	916	102	The Library of Threnal
8	780	98	In Need of Supplies
7	612	87	The Last Move: The Way to Yarkuch (TR 9)
6	520	87	The Iron Mines: Freeing Achka (GM 1)
2	173	87	Arachnophobia
8	689	86	The Path to Madness
10	784	78	Hold for Reinforcements
2	155	78	Defend Haverdasher
3	220	73	An Explosive Situation
9	624	69	Gateway to Khyber (VON 3a)
10	620	62	The Gate Chamber
3	182	61	Home Sweet Sewer
4	104	26	Endgame: Archbishop's Fate (CC 8)

Interesting to see how there are quests of all levels spread thru out the list

[zealous]

Maths?

id Really Like To Know How He Leveled Then. Because I Prepped A Ftp Account With 3 Sorcs At Levels 8,12,16 So I Can Blaze Through Levels 4-16 With Firewall. Be Interesting To See How To Improve Upon 348,000 Xp Per Day.

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Also, (and This Is A Chronotrigger Secret) If You Have Two Characters Of The Same Level And You Are Entering A Quest On Elite Multiple Times, There Is A Trade-off Available. The Quest May Be Very Easy With A Caster Or Fighter Barreling Through Heedlessly. A Fast Tactic Is To Log The Sorc/wiz Of The Same Level (or Group Level) In And Blaze Through The First 6.5 Mins Killing As Fast As Possible. Then, Log Out And Relog The Character Meant For Completion. The Character Can Enter And Gain Full Xp By The End Of The 13-15 Min Quest. This Works Particularly Well In Quests Like Stormcleave, Thrall Of The Necromancer, Gwylans, Etc. This Also Gives An Edge To Quests That Are Ridiculously Hard At Elite (currently) Under The New Dungeon Alerts And Erroneous Scaling System On The Elite Setting.

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First, There Are A Few Tactics To Consider And Your Own Abilities. If You And Say A Friend Are Both Equally Capable Of Soloing Elite Quests Like Information Is Key & Leading A Group Of 5 Through The Kobold's New Ringleader, You Can Use A Chronotrigger Initiative (a Guide Reserved For My Guild And Its Alliances) To Reap Xp On Specific Characters. A Party Of 3 Can Be Running The Slow Content (bonebite Ie The Kobold's Ringleader) On Elite Using The Short-cut (jump Over The Initial Boxes After You've Cleared The Kobolds - Do Not Smash The Breakables As You Need Them To Complete The Jump For Some Characters!). Meanwhile, Another Party Of 3 Can Be Running Information Is Key On Elite As Fast As Possible (fast = 4-5 Mins). By The Time Completion Is Achieved In Info, The Kobold's New Ringleaderr Group Should Be 2 Mins Out From Completion. Run To The Bonebite Hideout And Jump In (after Leader Party-invites) And Run To The End To Dispatch The Ogre & Complete The Quest. In 8 Mins You've Achieved 4-5k Xp On 3 Characters And 2-3k Xp On 3 Characters. Repeat As Fast As Possible On Elite. Do This Until Characters Begin Suffering -50% On Quests. Then Revert To Hard For A Bonus 25% And Then Again On Normal Ffor Another Bonus 25%. This Same Tactic With Kobold's New Ringleader Can Be Used With The Smuggler's Warehouse And Bringing The Light. You Can Also Swop Bringing With Info And Smuggler's With Bonebite. These Combinations Will Allow 3 Characters To Reach 50k Xp In 1 Hour 30-40 Mins And Another Set Of Characters To Achieve 30k Xp In 1 Hour 30 Mins Without Ever Leaving 4 Quests. Repetitive? Yes. Fastest Way Possible? I'd Bet My Life On It Because Now You've Got Other Quests Reserved For 1st Time Completion Xp To See You Through The Rest Of The Way.

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So Assuming You Have 5 Veteran Players Running Two Accounts You Could Theoretically:
Prep 1q Each On The "prepping" Account
Roll New Chars On The "tp" Account And Run To 1stq, Enter; Player Having Prepped Quest Finishes With Prepper, All Exit Tp Chars And Run To Next Q, The One Having Prepped Swaps Char On "prepping" Account
Once All 5 Are Done Everyone Prepps The Next Set Of Qs
Complete Those, Wash Rince And Repeat

#TP swarming can be applied to XP swarming, need a different kinda runner and juss farming different instances of the same q insteado runnin around willy nilly
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that's The Old Old Old Version Of The Levelling Guide... Try 14 Hours.

I Created A New "slightly Scandalous" Version That Allows Levelling At 7k/xp Every 2 Mins... Yeah... I'm Not Joking.

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Wether it's a good thing that the quickest way to level is like this I leave to the devs...same as going invis and zerging to objectives, skipping optionals or splitting part of the party to handle optionals, apparently is the way they want the game to be played by those primarily interested in xp.

Personally I think it'd be nice if there where more optionals, optionals being more difficult than the rest of the quest and getting optional based +% xp would go some way to make taking the time and exploring a bit more "advantageous".

[Vengenance]

I didn't see it posted here, but here is a good link of the xp required for per level.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...7%5DExperience