PETITION against ToD changes

[sephiroth1084]

/wait and see

[SableShadow]

They give almost no credence to theorycraft.

Would be a lot more thrilled if they did a little more of that in house.

Now:
"ZOMG! This is a coooooool idea!"
"Huh, interesting...sweet, slap it on test and let's see how it goes!"
"Awesome!"

Hopefully some day:
"ZOMG! This is a coooooool idea!"
"Huh, interesting...what are the implications on current game play?"
"Oh, I take your point. That might open up a few exploits, and would definitely impact the following classes and playstyles..."

[maddmatt70]

Not signed,

lately raids have been getting too easy and the changes to this dont' make it that much harder, you just have to farm a bit more. Lets get rid of the easy buttons already.

/shrug so why dont you run this on elite? Seems like doing it on elite regularly is challenging. This change reminds me of the mod 5 force the players to do the abbot puzzles because it was the devs intent for us to do the puzzles, but we skipped it changes. I never liked the whole you get banished mechanic so you get no loot despite having helped on all the other parts. Why not put a penalty box in part 3 instead of banishment or have the banishment on part 1. The whole thing is/was dumb and this change is just the devs being pigheaded.

/signed with you stalksdeath.

[Junts]

/shrug so why dont you run this on elite? Seems like doing it on elite regularly is challenging. This change reminds me of the mod 5 force the players to do the abbot puzzles because it was the devs intent for us to do the puzzles, but we skipped it changes. I never liked the whole you get banished mechanic so you get no loot despite having helped on all the other parts. Why not put a penalty box in part 3 instead of banishment or have the banishment on part 1. The whole thing is/was dumb and this change is just the devs being pigheaded.

/signed with you stalksdeath.

I know I don't run elite regularly, but I also -never- run normal and the raid is pretty easy on hard. Elite is a bit of a step up, mostly in that you stop wanting to drag people's new 17s with bad gear through it, and for that reason is more annoying than anything else.

The hardest part of elite tower is getting everyone to focus and actually play their best instead of zoning out like they do on hard.

[xTethx]

Werent there like a million threads for petitions against grazing hits and dungeon alert? Oh yea right look how that turned out, even tho they tweaked grazing hits a bit.

Either way signed or not this isnt getting changed.

[Salkanor]

/not signed

You don't know what the change is so therefore you should be acting like a teabagger person.You should KNOW what you're protesting about! It's possible, and IMO very likely, that getting boots may become EASIER for each individual character, while still requiring all characters to have them.

SHUT UP and leave! Stalksdeath specifically said:

"If you agree with the basis of this post, please sign, if you don't, don't sign"

So on that note...why are you here?

Like "Willow" said..."I hate trolls"...

Btw Stalksdeath:

/signed.

[dasein18]

/singed

Not hopeful though as we did this for DA, nerfs to stat damagers, glancing/grazing whatever blows, lame dream forge "crafting", silly DT armor slot machine luck system, etc.

Regardless of the feedback of the player base the Devs made the changes anyway.. some left the game.. most stayed.. and the Earth keeps spinning around...

[Saaluta]

/signed
Was hard enough to get boots on my one good tank(yes, Jill could use some tweaking, but all-in-all she's great) but now having to get them for Saaluta and my other characters that I would have rerolled already if not for the fact that they will soon be reincarnated And yes, some of my girls will be going thru the rein process when I can, but for now, I just don't play them unless my 3-4 main characters are on timer for shroud/tod/vod/hound.

And yes, I will soon be true reincarnating Saaluta, so look for her new and improved soon

Saal

[smatt]

SHUT UP and leave! Stalksdeath specifically said:

"If you agree with the basis of this post, please sign, if you don't, don't sign"

So on that note...why are you here?

Like "Willow" said..."I hate trolls"...

Btw Stalksdeath:

/signed.

Here have a coat it's cold up there.... Maybe a cup o' hot tea? It'll help I promise. Hey my guidl leader Bronko is from Saskatoon.. Maybe you 2 could get together and keep each other warm on those cold nights..... Just for the Tea....

[Salkanor]

Here have a coat it's cold up there.... Maybe a cup o' hot tea? It'll help I promise. Hey my guidl leader Bronko is from Saskatoon.. Maybe you 2 could get together and keep each other warm on those cold nights..... Just for the Tea....

You still haven't signed?

This reminds me of an episode of Family guy.

Hot chick :"Glen, I have a question for you...what do you do for a living?"
Quagmire: "I have a question for you too...why are you still here?"

[Cedwin]

SHUT UP and leave! Stalksdeath specifically said:

"If you agree with the basis of this post, please sign, if you don't, don't sign"

So on that note...why are you here?

Like "Willow" said..."I hate trolls"...

Btw Stalksdeath:

/signed.

Every request for change needs to have counter posts, otherwise the devs would think everyone wants this change.

There are still ways around this, like, I dunno, rather than grinding for boots, just put on your Mantle of the World Shaper when you get there, it will absorb 5 spells. Maybe put on a scarab if you don't have a mantle?

/not signed

[smatt]

You still haven't signed?

This reminds me of an episode of Family guy.

Hot chick :"Glen, I have a question for you...what do you do for a living?"
Quagmire: "I have a question for you too...why are you still here?"

You are not the boss of me..... Nor am I of you....

[Bronko]

Here have a coat it's cold up there.... Maybe a cup o' hot tea? It'll help I promise. Hey my guidl leader Bronko is from Saskatoon.. Maybe you 2 could get together and keep each other warm on those cold nights..... Just for the Tea....

Pfft, it's been above freezing for the past few days. No coats needed.

Besides, I don't hang out with those guys from 103.

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

You should KNOW what you're protesting about!

[KKDragonLord]

Not to rock the boat or anything but usually, lammania is mostly a test server, its to see how things will be, not to try and change it, at least not when its obviously intended and not a bug. They already decided on this folks, the earlier you accept, the easier it will be to adapt.

[Aussieee]

the devs have said in the past that "petition" is about the fastest way to get them to ignore your thread since it contains no info they consider useful.

Here I have 11 charchetrs 17 + and I haven't pulled a single blood ingridient. I have pulled 4 of the rest all together.....that leave me with almost a pair of boots. This game is all about grinding.... adding one more of them is a another think I don't wanna do. Grinding is ok but when it gets out of hand like the Reavers Refuge crafting and getting boots I simply give up. I woudn't spend the time grinding for something I have a chance never to get. And trust me I am pretty stubborn. Too much grinding is hard for me to handle and makes me wanna not wanna play......
/signed

[oberon131313]

you must spread blah blah blah...

[Emili]

/shrug so why dont you run this on elite? Seems like doing it on elite regularly is challenging. This change reminds me of the mod 5 force the players to do the abbot puzzles because it was the devs intent for us to do the puzzles, but we skipped it changes. I never liked the whole you get banished mechanic so you get no loot despite having helped on all the other parts. Why not put a penalty box in part 3 instead of banishment or have the banishment on part 1. The whole thing is/was dumb and this change is just the devs being pigheaded.

/signed with you stalksdeath.

I totally agree with you... Puting in a deep grinding deterent prior to running the quest in the first place does not offer it challenge at all... it does nothing but aggrivate people and makes them stay away more.

Not signed,

lately raids have been getting too easy and the changes to this dont' make it that much harder, you just have to farm a bit more. Lets get rid of the easy buttons already.

The change affects not the raids difficulty - that remains the same... it only affects entry to it. Quite simple - you do not have boots we do not want you there in our group... especially if I want the option of going in on hard or elite, why would I take a chance on you? Now... I get to sit there and think - well he's a great player but he has no boots yet shall we take the chance may be short manning more? Guess not? You're ticked off cause I and 90% of the other groups will not take you, I'm ticked off as I have to find someone else for the spot you would have taken... so I must solicit the channels more... Oh there is so-and-so yes he's boots but plays like **** and is really annoying to some people in the party .... grrr decisions ... so we're both unhappy.

I know I don't run elite regularly, but I also -never- run normal and the raid is pretty easy on hard. Elite is a bit of a step up, mostly in that you stop wanting to drag people's new 17s with bad gear through it, and for that reason is more annoying than anything else.

The hardest part of elite tower is getting everyone to focus and actually play their best instead of zoning out like they do on hard.

Elaborate? The your verbage states hard is too easy yet elite too hard? I thought you were up for some challenge... and here you're blaming peoples bad gear and dragging them thru it? Sounds like more difficult to me since you're now doing their part? Quite simple you do not want people with bad gear then do not invite them... nor join thier groups. Now add "lack of boots" constitutes "Badly geared."


As for my thoughts - To enforce an idea of having the boss toss out banish as a possible threat is fine yet to hold some randomly dropped items as tickets to get in is quite silly. Seriously, if you were playing DnD in a group at the table... and you were the DM would you make your players run three quests in the campaign over and over for some random items each one must have before letting them advance on to your dungeon of awe achievements? If they paid any attention and heard what I had to say... add "Dimension Anchor" to the caster spell lists - it requires a resouce, it requires player preparedness and thought and cost is not regulated by some grind mechanism.

[D-molisher]

/ Signed.

I have never gotten a single component for those boots.
And well will probably never even go in ToD - because of it.
So for all i care they might as well erase that raid - since its just dead bytes in my game. Filling my hard-drive like a virus or just some unneeded space filler.

[maddmatt70]

I know I don't run elite regularly, but I also -never- run normal and the raid is pretty easy on hard. Elite is a bit of a step up, mostly in that you stop wanting to drag people's new 17s with bad gear through it, and for that reason is more annoying than anything else.

The hardest part of elite tower is getting everyone to focus and actually play their best instead of zoning out like they do on hard.

Actually elite tower is alot of fun you should give this a try again Junts. We ran it this week as did another group on Khyber as well. I did not speak with the other group about their run, but our group had alot of fun and I imagine they did too.