Needed: TWF Dwarf build

[Hisl]

I am searching the forums for a good TWF Dwarf build (32 pt) that uses dwarven axes! It would be greatly appreciated if somone could post me a good link to one of these. I dont care if it is pure or multi I just need it to be dwarf, twf, and use dwarf axes! Can also be DPS or multifunctional, I would actually like to compare some. Thank you in advance.

[SouCarioca]

I am searching the forums for a good TWF Dwarf build (32 pt) that uses dwarven axes! It would be greatly appreciated if somone could post me a good link to one of these. I dont care if it is pure or multi I just need it to be dwarf, twf, and use dwarf axes! Can also be DPS or multifunctional, I would actually like to compare some. Thank you in advance.

I built a TWF Dwarven axe wielder based on the well-known Monster build. So far, at lvl 11, I have been very pleased with the results.

[Hisl]

This is actually one that I was already looking at and considering. The only I dont care for is having to swap feats, but that is a minor inconvenience.

[Sir_Chonas]

I built the monster, and I can get it to 50 str with buffs, power boost and items. That puts the damage up to an average 50 per hand with any +1 axe. Crits are an average of about 175 with +1s. Using greensteel tier 3's would put avg damage per hand non crit in the 80s and crits in the 190s-200s I'm guessing.

Make this build and you will be happy. (make sure you use paralyzing dwarven axes for levels 10-14 on everything except undead).

[Ulf]

Hisl,

I would suggest you first define what type of roll you want to have better. Do you want dps, Ac hp, saves, evasion, umd, etc.. You don't have to be exact, but there are lots of builds that would be dual wielding dwarfs that would have different strength and weaknesses.

As to the 2 builds previously mentioned, I would suggest against them for a dwarf dual wielder. The axe murder build is simpily inferior to both an evasion/saves/decent dps 18rngr/2monk build and pure 20 kensai ftr good dps/goodAC/goodHP build. The calim of that build is dps/saves/evasion/hp/AC, it looses all conditions.
And the monster build looses a lot of AC going to dwarf, the power attack enhancements, as well as the immunities, without really gaining anything substantial outside the DA benefits (feat slot, +2 hit and damage). Not to mention the monster build is minimum 40 shrouds and 5 shroud items (3 of which are double upgrades).

If you clearify your request, I'm sure a build that you can work with could be supplied.

[Hisl]

Priorities of build I am looking for would be in order;
1. Dwarf twf with dwarven axes
2. DPS (I know there are better dps with Khopesh and different races but this is the flavor I want for this guy)
3. Survivability at end game (Shroud Useful)
4. Anything extra is nice such as ac, saves, etc

[Kaeldur]

Priorities of build I am looking for would be in order;
1. Dwarf twf with dwarven axes
2. DPS (I know there are better dps with Khopesh and different races but this is the flavor I want for this guy)
3. Survivability at end game (Shroud Useful)
4. Anything extra is nice such as ac, saves, etc

By any chance did you check this out?
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=10

[Ulf]

Same question came up in Ftr forums here. Take a look. I still say if you don't have a well defined end point in mind for this character, you should probably avoid haevy multiclassing (i.e. 3-classes or >4 lvls in 2nd class).

[D'rin]

Another option would be 13 rogue/6ranger/1monk. You still get the AC. Str is behind a bit but you get +4 or 6 on 2 types of mobs and other mobs you get sneak attacks on. Very solid dps good save. improved evasion and acro immunity to knockdown. All around a solid build.

If you wanted different flavor sacrifice AC and go barbarian for 20% movement speed from acro 2 and barb one

[Ulf]

Another option would be 13 rogue/6ranger/1monk. You still get the AC. Str is behind a bit but you get +4 or 6 on 2 types of mobs and other mobs you get sneak attacks on. Very solid dps good save. improved evasion and acro immunity to knockdown. All around a solid build.

If you wanted different flavor sacrifice AC and go barbarian for 20% movement speed from acro 2 and barb one

Agree with the saves and evasion, but why 6 rngr? The umd from rog means the divine healing abilities of rngr are basically moot. The temp I requires mobolity and spring attack. Drop those and take 6 ftr (+4 feats, lvls 1,2,4,6). You can easily pick up TWF, ITWF of tempest as well as GTWF, TWFD, OTWF, and still have a free feat. Plus you get the str enhancement from ftr. And the other benifit of rngr (bow str) is mostly lost on your 13 rog/6rngr/1mnk build.

Also, the barb / acro II can be a fun build.

[Therigar]

Here is my current build, or close to it in any case. Dual wielding dwarven axes, kensai, looking to use the fighter capstone.

Note that this was made for planning purposes. I'm not certain that my actual build followed every detail of this. But, it is pretty close.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.10
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Level 20 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(20 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 442
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 11
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    26
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         18                    22
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 13
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 13
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 13

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II


Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I


Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization II


Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV


Level 20 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV

[D'rin]

Agree with the saves and evasion, but why 6 rngr? The umd from rog means the divine healing abilities of rngr are basically moot. The temp I requires mobolity and spring attack. Drop those and take 6 ftr (+4 feats, lvls 1,2,4,6). You can easily pick up TWF, ITWF of tempest as well as GTWF, TWFD, OTWF, and still have a free feat. Plus you get the str enhancement from ftr. And the other benifit of rngr (bow str) is mostly lost on your 13 rog/6rngr/1mnk build.

Also, the barb / acro II can be a fun build.

You get the 10% attack speed from tempest which is pretty sweet when you figure greensteel and sneak attack. Also important if you go with a radiance weapon. You gain rams might which makes up for the fighter str enhancements. Also bow str is not wasted. Figure BAB is still 15+ with this type of character so when many shot is up jump back hit many shot and rail them for 20 seconds then switch back to dual dwarven axes.
Also spring attack on a barb/acro means you can run around things and just whack them faster than they can turn on you.

[Hisl]

At this point I am leaning towards the pure builds and then aybe a multi when I TR him.

[Hisl]

What would be the advantages or disadvantages of going pure ranger over pure fighter?

[Ulf]

You get the 10% attack speed from tempest which is pretty sweet when you figure greensteel and sneak attack. Also important if you go with a radiance weapon. You gain rams might which makes up for the fighter str enhancements. Also bow str is not wasted. Figure BAB is still 15+ with this type of character so when many shot is up jump back hit many shot and rail them for 20 seconds then switch back to dual dwarven axes.
Also spring attack on a barb/acro means you can run around things and just whack them faster than they can turn on you.

As I said the alacrity doesn't stack with haste, so its gain is going to me minimal in group situations.
To Rams might, that would make up for ftr strength enhancements.
You said the acro II/tempest I/mnk build would be low str, which means bow str is not much gain. The dps of that char is mainly coming from sneak attack (which can be very nise)
Finally, tempest I compared to kensai I is 6 feats difference. mobility and spring attack dropped gives two, plus ftr gets bonus feats at 1,2,4,6. With those 6 feats you can take OTWF, S Weap focus (to give +3 hit) and the kensai I gives +1 to hit. Total of +4 to hit (means moving to Hit is same and stationary to Hit is 4 higher) That still leaves 4 extra feats, could be S Weap Spec for extra damage (combined with kensai I means +3 damage), extra AC (dodge, TWD, CE), extra saves (light reflex, luck o heros, iron will), extra hp (+2 base per ftr lvl, plus 20 per toughness feat if using extra feats).

[Ulf]

What would be the advantages or disadvantages of going pure ranger over pure fighter?

Pure ranger instead of pure fighter
Advantages:
Bow Strength
Manyshot free
dex bonus enhancements
+4 shield AC when dual wielding
Extra off hand attack
25% alacrity when ranged
Divine wand usage free
Barkskin (+5 AC) and FoM
Favored Enemies
Evasion
Past life +2 ranged damage and +2 elemental resists

Disadvantages:
11 less selectable feats
less hp (base hp will be 40 hp less usual difference is more than 100 hp)
lower base + to Hit and damage (at least 2/4 from kensai and probably more from S. weap focus/Spec)
lower crit range (Kensai III get +1 crit rnge)
str bonus enhancements
melee 10% alacrity doesn't stack with anything (ftr capstone alacrity will stack with some items, not haste)
restricted to light armor (or loose evasion)
lower DCs on trips, stunning blows, sunders, etc..
Past life +1 to hit and +1 to all DC

There are other differences, those are the big ones off the top of my head. Also, put in the passive past life feats since you mentioned TR later. Hope this helps you decide which to tak, can't really go wrong either way. Just go with the one that fits your playstyle best

Oh, also, if you don't plan to use ranged much, 18 rngr / 2 monk or rog, can give you extra skill pts, saves, AC, SA dmg while sacrficing 25% ranged alacrity and 1 to Hit.

[Hisl]

Thanks Ulf!! Do you happen to have a link for one of those 18rng/2mnk builds?