Dragonmarks now grant 100% success with scrolls/wands

[Angelus_dead]

This is an awesome change, even though my halfling wizard has the umd to use cure wands, and heal scrolls.

Wow! That's something I suggested about 2 days after Dragonmarks were announced...

Too bad it'll only really help the race whose dragonmark is already the most popular.

[Angelus_dead]

I think it's pretty unbalancing, though. They would have to give the other dragonmarks a fairly significant boost to make them balance out.

The other dragonmarks have ALWAYS needed a boost.

The objective for balancing should not be to make the various dragonmarks equal with each other; it is to make them worth spending feat slots.

[Dawn_Falcon]

To be fair, for a Human fighter the least dragonmark of sentinel is a decent feat. However, that's for the intimidation bonus more than the spell...

[Maegin]

I rather like the idea. The healing dragon mark is a large investment in feats. What a way to make it pay off.

this is very true. in this day in age, everyone relys on UMD to keep themselves alive, but if this feature sticks, I feel that it would open the doors to a lot of ppl for self suficiency.

imagin fighters with dragon marks, finally being able to heal themselves and solo stuff without needing somone on their backs...

... nice

/vote keep no umd checks for dmarks.

[Robi3.0]

this is very true. in this day in age, everyone relys on UMD to keep themselves alive, but if this feature sticks, I feel that it would open the doors to a lot of halflings for self suficiency.

imagin fighters with dragon marks, finally being able to heal themselves and solo stuff without needing somone on their backs...

... nice

/vote keep no umd checks for dmarks.

Fixed that for you.

[Dylos_Moon]

Fixed that for you.

halflings are people too!

[Robi3.0]

halflings are people too!

No their not, they have small hands and smell like cabbage.

[Maegin]

Fixed that for you.

lol ty and true.

But think about it, if WF are the leet race for everything else, why shouldn't it be in inverse of dps to healing for a hafling?

I personally think the kundark one for dwarves should be stoneskin or something, for starters.

idk its not that hard to get a decent UMD score anyways, many have proven it, so dont try and pull that.

it will cost the store money, since all haflings wont by potions

but think about it. any class that needs to self heal, can now without bending around an already broken as$ skill that every toon must have or splash lvls for, UMD. Now, this way, atleast you can use feats in place of skill points and splashing lvls of something. And if you can get an easy umd score anyways, why would you need dmarks?

[moorewr]

If we go by PnP I think it's clear that Dragonmarks should NOT give you special insight into certain scrolls and wands. Furthermore, it is clear that caster metamagics should not apply.

That said, DDO dragonmarks are very different from the ones in ECS and perform a different role on-line altogether. I support applying DDO-style metamagics to the marks, but I have a lot of trouble seeing how it should extend to scrolls and wands.

[Angelus_dead]

If we go by PnP I think it's clear that Dragonmarks should NOT give you special insight into certain scrolls and wands.

The D&D rules for dragonmarks are notoriously and pathetically underpowered.

I support applying DDO-style metamagics to the marks, but I have a lot of trouble seeing how it should extend to scrolls and wands.

In the D&D Eberron rules, you can get magic items (Dragonshard rods etc) which grant additional uses of Dragonmark abilities. Those things do not exist in DDO... and adding them to DDO as a vendor-sold consumable would be worse for balance than allowing scroll use.

[Maegin]

If we go by PnP I think it's clear that Dragonmarks should NOT give you special insight into certain scrolls and wands. Furthermore, it is clear that caster metamagics should not apply.

That said, DDO dragonmarks are very different from the ones in ECS and perform a different role on-line altogether. I support applying DDO-style metamagics to the marks, but I have a lot of trouble seeing how it should extend to scrolls and wands.

if you can cast the spell at will, and have the magic power to do so, i dont see why you couldnt just awaken that same identical power in something else.

its like in a dark room, knowing of the lightswitch, but now being able to see it and flip it yourself, instead of someone with a flashlight. either way you get light, but now, you can do it yourself.

[moorewr]

The D&D rules for dragonmarks are notoriously and pathetically underpowered.

More or less what my next sentence said.

They are useful in a campaign for many non-combat and role-playing reasons that don't apply in DDO well or at all. Look at the marks we're missing - scribing, finding, etc. Storms at least recommends itself to a set of at-will spell effects.. the others will have to be completely changed to work in DDO.

The mark-enhancing items are a very good point - and one such item comes to mind in the dragonmarked heir item set in Shavarath.

[moorewr]

if you can cast the spell at will, and have the magic power to do so, i dont see why you couldnt just awaken that same identical power in something else.

In D&D, spell-like powers are often not spells, even if they have same or similar effects. Nothing about a dragon mark gives you the training a wizard receives, for example.

[Angelus_dead]

Here's a useful question to ask:
Is it good that someone with 11 UMD ranks supplies the party with more and better healing than one with 3 Jorasco feats?

That's what it's about: if training some UMD lets you use scrolls of Heal, Mass Cure, Restoration, Raise Dead, and more, then why shouldn't Greater Mark of Healing allow just one of those?

[rimble]

That's what it's about: if training some UMD lets you use scrolls of Heal, Mass Cure, Restoration, Raise Dead, and more, then why shouldn't Greater Mark of Healing allow just one of those?

Because UMD is available to everyone. The DM is awesome enough by itself, it doesn't need that extra push.

[Angelus_dead]

The DM is awesome enough by itself, it doesn't need that extra push.

What makes you think that Jorasco Dragonmarks are awesome?

[Nezichiend]

lol ty and true.

But think about it, if WF are the leet race for everything else, why shouldn't it be in inverse of dps to healing for a hafling?

Halflings are the 2nd best for DPS, so this would make them even better.

[Xgemina]

Here's a useful question to ask:
Is it good that someone with 11 UMD ranks supplies the party with more and better healing than one with 3 Jorasco feats?

That's what it's about: if training some UMD lets you use scrolls of Heal, Mass Cure, Restoration, Raise Dead, and more, then why shouldn't Greater Mark of Healing allow just one of those?

And its misleading as heck to say that it only takes 11 skill points in UMD to hit a 40 skill check without chance of failure. You also need the high charisma, various items, enhancements and feats to make up for the other 28 points to cast heal without fail. That compared to a 9th lvl anything halfling that would be able no fail scroll cast heal.

[Junts]

Here's a useful question to ask:
Is it good that someone with 11 UMD ranks supplies the party with more and better healing than one with 3 Jorasco feats?

That's what it's about: if training some UMD lets you use scrolls of Heal, Mass Cure, Restoration, Raise Dead, and more, then why shouldn't Greater Mark of Healing allow just one of those?

if they have 11 ranks in umd, then they also are investing multiple gear slots in being good at umd, and possibly feats. I have several characters who get to 39 umd as cross-class, and to do so you need to use shroud items, possibly competence boost items or feats (most need both) and a considerable charisma investment.

3 gear slots + all that other stuff, or multiple class levels + at least a couple gear slots is a much greater investment for many than 3 feats. Specifically, -those 3 feats are already good choices on the classes that can afford to spend 3 feats on them-. On monks, fighters and wizards they are fantastic abilities. Since it is 3 feats, paladins, rangers, rogues and barbarians will never have the potential to pick them up, because they're excessively expensive. However, every fighter/wizard/monk, or even many builds with splashes of those, that might think itself wanting to invest in a rogue level for umd, now has a vastly superior option that lets it retain all of its class features!

39 umd is a massive grind for anyone that isn't a bard. Its a big deal, and its subject to debuffs, deaht penalties and all sorts of bad, as well as introducing major gear selection issues (which become bigger and bigger as time goes on, because DDO has more dps/caster related exclusive equipment, so devoting multiple slots to umd boosters and/or charisma becomes a much greater tradeoff).

for those feat-plentiful classes, this would simply be superior in every single way to rogue splashing. Why make a /2 rogue paladin? a halfling 18/2 monk would be oodles better! etc, etc.

It is really powerful.

[WeaselKing]

In the D&D Eberron rules, you can get magic items (Dragonshard rods etc) which grant additional uses of Dragonmark abilities. Those things do not exist in DDO... and adding them to DDO as a vendor-sold consumable would be worse for balance than allowing scroll use.

Well, there is the dragonmarked necklace/ring in Amrath but I suppose the difference there is the difficulty in obtaining the set versus just buying it from a general vendor.