Dragonmarks now grant 100% success with scrolls/wands

[Promethie]

The no fail for heal scrolls and whatnot is not just for dragonmarked halflings it seems. My wizards with minimal investments has no fail for heal scroll even though his UMD is much lower than 39. I am thinking there is a bug on Lammania with healing wands/scrolls.

[Maegin]

Well, Improved Critical and Stunning Blow should never be on a monk's feat list. Spending a feat to improve your critical threat range from 20 to 19-20 is a waste when you can stun with handwraps nearly at-will. Stunning Blow shouldn't be taken because Stunning Fist is exceptionally more powerful and has a much higher DC.

An off topic comment, but what about during boss fights where you cant stun him? +5% DPS. IC Blud, yes plz.

[Charlemagne2]

Its only overpowered because the old way was an insane loot grind and took alot of planning. I see no reason that someone who chooses to take 3 feats to get a real benefit. With most tank Hp's in the 600 range you are talking 4-6 scrools to regen health. The biggest problem I see with DM's is that halfling's are the only ones really worth taking in any form (and even then its up for debate). If someone is willing to give up 3 feats for something make it worth it. Make the other races Dm's at least considering.

If turbine feels they have to fix this how about fixing the fact that Dm's turn off auto attack also.

[Maegin]

Yeah and grinding sucks. But so does burning 3 feats, and who would build a hafling fighter/barb and try and be serious about max str/combat dc's? Wf wizards can heal themselves, get their cake and eat it too. Sorcs have epic CHA so they can heal. Rangers get wands, pallys LoH, Rogues umd, bard/cleric/FvS can heal, monks FoL, but still everyone has a cleric in their party for those mass heals for over 300+. I dont see people doing the important raids on just scrolls, do you? and anyone can splash rogue, so....?

[gavagai]

This is all pretty funny. I hope they "fix" what was clearly a mistake. Here are my reasons:

1) Heals are a big deal. Everything in the game underscores how major healing is. We don't regen, and shrines are not that useful at healing. Similarly, up til now it cost three feats for a Jorasco halfling to get a handful of cure serious wounds and heals, which were very useful and much appreciated to those that could afford it.

2) Reading scrolls are a big deal. This is a skillset that distinguishes classes. Some can do it; and others grind mercilessly and patiently plan out characters to up that UMD to learn it. It is a glacial process, but it feels great when you can finally take advantage of the convenience that such sluggish investment rewards you with.

ERGO: Reading scrolls of heals is a big deal. Simply allowing unlimited heal scroll reading is goofy without requiring FURTHER investment by the Dragonmarked character.

Now I would like dragonmarks to be more interesting -- but tossing out class design isn't the way to do it! Jorasco DM's are fine as they are. They are beyond fine. They already can be an integral part of class design, and letting this bug continue would be OP in an bland sort of way.

Perhaps Dragonmarked folk could get extra enhancements (2/4/6EP) to use certain exclusive wands or consumables. (This might be the direction of Dragonmarked Heirs anyway, idk.) Access to special DM headquarters with unique items and gear, perhaps.

[Edit: oh, so it the healing bug a more general lammania issue? LOL! That's gotta be fun xD ]

[SableShadow]

ppl build around UMD, sable, so....

...which is why you don't *buff* UMD. A thing that's good *already* doesn't need a buff; you spend your energy on something not-good, or you think about nerfing it.

Said my peace, I agree to disagree.

With what? Out of your posts I get that "UMD is too hard" is a reason for a dm buff, "UMD is too easy" is a reason for a dm buff, "marks are too hard to get for what they give" is a reason for a dm buff, and "my marks are great on my wizzy right now" is a reason for a dm buff. I get it, "buff dragonmarks". Am I missing something?

Look, I see where you want to go: more healing is good. But...I don't think dragonmarks are the vector. The game already takes min/maxing to extremes simply not found in other games; why add to that? Add a passive health/mana regen in quests, bang! done and without adding yet another wrinkle to the already tortured character design fabric.

[SolarDawning]

Well, Improved Critical and Stunning Blow should never be on a monk's feat list. Spending a feat to improve your critical threat range from 20 to 19-20 is a waste when you can stun with handwraps nearly at-will. Stunning Blow shouldn't be taken because Stunning Fist is exceptionally more powerful and has a much higher DC.

Forgive me, I typo'ed. I meant Stunning Fist, which I had to give up to take the dragonmark feats.

[Dylos_Moon]

Ok, update, its not the dragonmark thats giving me the no fail on heal scrolls, its either being a halfling or being a wizard (or both)

[Favis]

I used 1 feat and not 3 because the feat scarcity issues between fighter/monk/wizard and barb/ranger are very, very different .. one grou pget many extra bonus feats and often end up taking total garbage feats to fill in the slots. Especially now that twf is going to be choosable with monk class feat slots.

That's one of the problem with with the feats right now. There is not enough good ones.

When they implemented the dragonmarks into DDO they made them significantly weaker then in D&D 3.5
But then they added the ablity to increase there power with enhancment and that they where effected by metamagic without no additional cost.
Personaly I would prefere that they made the marks as powerfull as in D&D 3.5 (using the d20 sp and compare it with DDO sp would show a ruff value on how much more use there should be).

But making the marks a short cut to use scrolls would be a nother way of makeing them more inline with the power they have in D&D 3.5. The main drowback of that is that it works uneven on the diffrent marks as the marks with spelllike ablities that has saves will have less use of scrolls.
(There is also other problem as some of the spells like globe of invo are alsmost useless making the marks where the spell in DDO are underpowered almost useless)

[Junts]

That's one of the problem with with the feats right now. There is not enough good ones.

When they implemented the dragonmarks into DDO they made them significantly weaker then in D&D 3.5
But then they added the ablity to increase there power with enhancment and that they where effected by metamagic without no additional cost.
Personaly I would prefere that they made the marks as powerfull as in D&D 3.5 (using the d20 sp and compare it with DDO sp would show a ruff value on how much more use there should be).

But making the marks a short cut to use scrolls would be a nother way of makeing them more inline with the power they have in D&D 3.5. The main drowback of that is that it works uneven on the diffrent marks as the marks with spelllike ablities that has saves will have less use of scrolls.
(There is also other problem as some of the spells like globe of invo are alsmost useless making the marks where the spell in DDO are underpowered almost useless)

No, the main drawback is that there are 18 dragonmark feats, of which 1 is good and 2 are ok only because they lead to that one, and the others are garbage.

While I would be heavly in favor of stuff that made better healing accessible to more characters, something that simply betters umd in every way for an easily absorbable cost for 3 classes is not the way .. it's not an alternative, it's just providing free heal scroll use to 3 classes. What we need are alternatives that are of lower cost and lesser effectiveness, filling the gap between 'free stuff that heals you for 30 points everyone can use' and 'super hard to use stuff that you hvae to build for that heals for 110'. You know, 70-90 point base heals for moderate investment.

But since there are no purchasable cure crit wands, and those are only around 50 points and require 32 umd, the umd skill isn't going to provide it.

[samho]

The no fail for heal scrolls and whatnot is not just for dragonmarked halflings it seems. My wizards with minimal investments has no fail for heal scroll even though his UMD is much lower than 39. I am thinking there is a bug on Lammania with healing wands/scrolls.

Spells affected by this bug include:

Cure Light Wound, Cure Serious Wound, and Heal ( scroll and wand form)

I didn't found any other divine scroll or wand affect by this bug yet. (after searching all scroll / wand vendor)

[LawstCawz]

Ok, update, its not the dragonmark thats giving me the no fail on heal scrolls, its either being a halfling or being a wizard (or both)

Could it be that you were able to use heal scrolls no fail after scribing it?

[Dylos_Moon]

Could it be that you were able to use heal scrolls no fail after scribing it?

Nope, I was no fail before attempting (and failing but using up the scroll) to scribe a heal scroll.

[The_Phenx]

this is very true. in this day in age, everyone relys on UMD to keep themselves alive, but if this feature sticks, I feel that it would open the doors to a lot of ppl for self suficiency.

imagin fighters with dragon marks, finally being able to heal themselves and solo stuff without needing somone on their backs...

... nice

/vote keep no umd checks for dmarks.

I've always been able to do this... I have solo'd many a quest (even before dungeon scaling) on my pure class halfling dragonmarked fighter.

THis would just make doing the same thing.. a little bit easier.

[The_Phenx]

Yeah and grinding sucks. But so does burning 3 feats, and who would build a hafling fighter/barb and try and be serious about max str/combat dc's?

I would, thats who.

Been doing it since dragonmarks first came out. And its more than a solid build. Many a barb has lost aggro to me and said who, what... how the???

Halflings get +1 att and damage... so the 18 vs 16 starting str has no impact, the dps output is not affected.

Halflings get +1 to all saves inherantly.

They get save enhancement lines & access to halfling guile for better off tanking.

"just realized I brought a old thread back to life"

Dc's and skill checks for some things fall behind (like intimidate), its the trade off for being self sufficient.

[Visty]

Halflings get +1 att and damage... so the 18 vs 16 starting str has no impact, the dps output is not affected.

wrong, they only get +1 tohit

[Visty]

wrong, they only get +1 tohit

see, that is what is wrong with this game:
the noobs think they know it all
why in hell did that post deserve a neg rep?
its totally the truth

it just shows what this game and the forums do encounter in the last weeks

[Club'in]

Long as we're resurrecting this thread, any one try this out since Update 3 was released? Do dragon marked halflings still get to use Heal scrolls without a UMD check?

[Visty]

Long as we're resurrecting this thread, any one try this out since Update 3 was released? Do dragon marked halflings still get to use Heal scrolls without a UMD check?

that was posted somwehere else already, doesnt work anymore
the good bugs they always fix, the bad ones stay in game for at least 3 years

[Club'in]

that was posted somwehere else already, doesnt work anymore
the good bugs they always fix, the bad ones stay in game for at least 3 years

Awe, man! I never even got to use it once...