Dragonmarks now grant 100% success with scrolls/wands

[Turial]

Interesting.. I'm not sure it's balanced across dragonmarks though. It puts halfling dragonmarks in a completely different world than other dragonmarks. Even somewhat useful dragonmarks like D Door and teleport wouldn't be nearly as cool.

Not saying it should be fixed... but yeah. Interesting.

Especially because one cant buy DD scrolls anymore.

[Dylos_Moon]

This bug doesn't occur with the Elven Dragonmarks. Just logged on to Lama and tried four times to cast displacement from a scroll on my pure fighter w/o UMD.

Just checked and doesn't appear to function with Sentinel either, as my Human Sentinel-marked Ranger14/Fighter2 cannot use shield of faith scrolls.

[rimble]

Interesting.. I'm not sure it's balanced across dragonmarks though. It puts halfling dragonmarks in a completely different world than other dragonmarks. Even somewhat useful dragonmarks like D Door and teleport wouldn't be nearly as cool.

Not saying it should be fixed... but yeah. Interesting.

Was just posting the same, so will just agree here.

I will say it should be fixed. Perhaps offer such a feature some other way, like via Dragonmarked Heir PrE. Tier I allows non-UMD Least DM, Tier II allows non-UMD Lesser DM, Tier III allows non-UMD Greater DM. I think it'd cause some difficult AP (and/or Feats if Dragonmarked Heir requires some) choices for those Halflings...though such a thing would still be pretty crazily weighted in favor of them...

(btw, this is from a DM'd Halfling Monk)

[Robi3.0]

My vote is to keep it and expand it to the other dragonmarks as well. This would give a dynamic to a lot of the dragonmarks which get ignored and a fun addition to the game. Also looking into the benefits that the other dragonmarks grant would be good. Though the halflings are powerful, and the elves is ok, the dwarven dragonmark is just terrible. But until there is time to revamp some of them, at least exand the scroll usage to all.

If this stays then I demand the ability to cast displacement from scroll and have the scroll casting be at my character level meaning I would get lvl 20 length displacement instead of lvl 3 (or whatever) length displacement I would from a scroll.

* I am not demanding anything, but I think that would help equalize the over imbalance Halfling dragonmarks get.

[Razcar]

Interesting. It's a bug, but we'll have to evaluate whether or not it should be a feature of dragonmarks.

Keep it please!

[Impaqt]

Easy fix. Lose the RR for Dragonmarks like they did with Eberron 4.0.

[Jay203]

i vote get rid of it
it's kind of broken to have a Fighter 20 scrolling heal scrolls like he's a cleric >_>

[Shyver]

If this stays then I demand the ability to cast displacement from scroll and have the scroll casting be at my character level meaning I would get lvl 20 length displacement instead of lvl 3 (or whatever) length displacement I would from a scroll.

* I am not demanding anything, but I think that would help equalize the over imbalance Halfling dragonmarks get.

Well the problem there is that Displacement is the second tier of the elf marks and Heal is the 3rd of the halfling, costing 1 more feat. A better comparison would be Shadow Walk to Heal, but few (if any) players take the 3rd feat for elves. A better balance would be to reevaluate the first and third dragonmarks for elves.

That being said I wouldn't have a personal issue with the scrolls casting at 20th level, although that might be a coding nightmare.

[Robi3.0]

Easy fix. Lose the RR for Dragonmarks like they did with Eberron 4.0.

That was a really stupid move imo, it killed a lot of flavor of the marks and the setting in general.

and really does nothing to balance the marks. People well still be only taking the healing marks. They just wont be doing it on halflings.

[RhapsodieInBlue]

If this sticks it means I'll be getting rid of Dodge Mobility and Spring Attack.

[Dawn_Falcon]

I will say it should be fixed. Perhaps offer such a feature some other way, like via Dragonmarked Heir PrE.

That does sound like a worthwhile PrE bonus to me...

[WeaselKing]

Easy fix. Lose the RR for Dragonmarks like they did with Eberron 4.0.

They did WHAT with the dragonmarks in 4.0?!?!?!?

I am simply flabbergasted by that.

Must find as many 3.5 books as possible before they disappear...

[Gol]

As it stands, it needs to be fixed. This is major unbalancing. All soloist builds would be halfling and nothing else.

However, I'd rather it not stand, but have the other dragonmarks be upgraded to match somehow. Like, the Dwarven level 1 mark use a Detect Traps scroll at caster level = character level. The whichever-it-is mark be able to use displacement scrolls, etc.

[Junts]

Interesting. It's a bug, but we'll have to evaluate whether or not it should be a feature of dragonmarks.

Greater dragonmark of healing looks at you and says 'please'.

[Robi3.0]

Well the problem there is that Displacement is the second tier of the elf marks and Heal is the 3rd of the halfling, costing 1 more feat. A better comparison would be Shadow Walk to Heal, but few (if any) players take the 3rd feat for elves. A better balance would be to reevaluate the first and third dragonmarks for elves.

That being said I wouldn't have a personal issue with the scrolls casting at 20th level, although that might be a coding nightmare.

Even being able to cast CSW from a scroll is huge.

[Junts]

Was just posting the same, so will just agree here.

I will say it should be fixed. Perhaps offer such a feature some other way, like via Dragonmarked Heir PrE. Tier I allows non-UMD Least DM, Tier II allows non-UMD Lesser DM, Tier III allows non-UMD Greater DM. I think it'd cause some difficult AP (and/or Feats if Dragonmarked Heir requires some) choices for those Halflings...though such a thing would still be pretty crazily weighted in favor of them...

(btw, this is from a DM'd Halfling Monk)

THIS is a very good idea; blanket access to heal scrolls free from umd would be rediciulous, even with a 3 feat cost.

being a non-halfling fighter or monk or wizard or any other feat-comfortable class would be absolutely stupid if its just a blanket feature; people spend 25% of their equipment slots and plan their whole builds around getting no-fail heal scroll access.

[WeaselKing]

As it stands, it needs to be fixed. This is major unbalancing. All soloist builds would be halfling and nothing else.

However, I'd rather it not stand, but have the other dragonmarks be upgraded to match somehow. Like, the Dwarven level 1 mark use a Detect Traps scroll at caster level = character level. The whichever-it-is mark be able to use displacement scrolls, etc.

Un fortunately, I think this needs to go entirely because it is unbalancing, even if the other DM's got similar capabilities the only useful one I can think of is the teleport one.

Warding Marks bite.
Sentinel Marks bite.
Displacement scrolls don't last that long.
DD scrolls are too hard to find.

While I would love for my little 1/2ling to be able to run around throwing heal scrolls, I just can't see this making live.

[Aspenor]

While I wouldn't cry if this went away, I would definitely take the Dragonmarks on my halfling if it doesn't. I think it's pretty unbalancing, though. They would have to give the other dragonmarks a fairly significant boost to make them balance out.

[Junts]

While I wouldn't cry if this went away, I would definitely take the Dragonmarks on my halfling if it doesn't. I think it's pretty unbalancing, though. They would have to give the other dragonmarks a fairly significant boost to make them balance out.

This. The idea of it makes me drool, but its probably way, way too powerful given the massive lengths we go to in order to give characters access to reliable heal scrolls as it is.

Its so much easier a path to something that is often the most emphasized part of a build.

[Dragonhyde]

As it stands, it needs to be fixed. This is major unbalancing. All soloist builds would be halfling and nothing else.

However, I'd rather it not stand, but have the other dragonmarks be upgraded to match somehow. Like, the Dwarven level 1 mark use a Detect Traps scroll at caster level = character level. The whichever-it-is mark be able to use displacement scrolls, etc.

But it could be said that this would make for solo builds that can compete with the current WF soloists....if it stays will have to consider making another halfing dragonmarked as the one I have has umd so need for the bonus there