Pale Master review

[sephiroth1084]

Trying to find something about it I can break in a positive way to get through my TR's.

I think it's pretty obvious what you can do positively with the Pale Master:














Ignore it!

[Spisey]

I think it's pretty obvious what you can do positively with the Pale Master:
Ignore it!

[KKDragonLord]

You've got a good point there. While it's quite possible to turn off maximize/empower when facing enemies vulnerable to instant death effects, it's quite a hassle to keep switching them on and back off again. My reasoning was mostly that, when a monster is immune to death spells for balance reasons, it would only be fair to get the next best thing: taking a chunk off their hit points.

With metamagic costs factored in, however, it becomes pretty hard to salvage the idea. Like you say, if they're affected by maximize/empower, it would greatly increase mana cost when the damage is moot. And if they're not affected, they'd be rather poor choices for nuking.

This idea has merits that cant be replaced, and should be salvaged.

Instead of dealing a quantity of damage that can be affected by metamagics, it could deal a percentage of the enemies current health instead, with purple nameds taking less than Red nameds. If not, it could just deal a static amount of damage (Power word Kill for example should deal 300dmg which is its limit), static numbers arent affected by metamagics such as with the Heal and Reconstruct spells.

[DevourerOfPancakes]

This idea has merits that cant be replaced, and should be salvaged.

Instead of dealing a quantity of damage that can be affected by metamagics, it could deal a percentage of the enemies current health instead, with purple nameds taking less than Red nameds. If not, it could just deal a static amount of damage (Power word Kill for example should deal 300dmg which is its limit), static numbers arent affected by metamagics such as with the Heal and Reconstruct spells.

Well, I'm glad you've got faith in the concept

The main problem I see is balance. Dealing a percentage of damage is a pretty tough one, as not all bosses are created equal. Static numbers are also tough - being unaffected by metamagics those death spells will either have a poor damage output, or a high spell point efficiency compared to traditional nukes. The best I can think of is making them unaffected by metamagics, and put their damage above regular nukes, and below those same nukes with maximize/empower on. The need to take empower/maximize feats for regular nukes is offset by the need to take spell focus feats for death spells, so I guess it could work out.

[Josh]

I think it's pretty obvious what you can do positively with the Pale Master:

How about this:

[Fomori]

Why bring out a sh!tty PrE? Seems counter productive to put time and effort into making something that no one will use....

This will be used as more of a fluff PrE. Some players wanted to be necromancers in name as well.

As far as the PrE having use metawise is a totally different story.

[sephiroth1084]

How about this:

Hahaha! If only we could actually flush the data...force them to start from scratch!

+1 rep for that.

[bashemgud]

So 15 pages of complaints and thoughts about a broken and useless PrE, and we still get it on the live servers? Really?

And nerfed?

Thanks.

[elyssaria]

Just out of curiosity....

Have there been ANY kind of developer response regarding the palemaster prestige class or the feedback regarding the prestige?

I really would love to hear what the plans are for the prestige since it is obvious that people really don't find it sufficient enought to be worth taking.

Sincerely!

/Ely

[Spequille]

A wizard with the ability to heal himself while buffed, and guarding in the middle of their maximized firewall will be extremely handy to a solo artist. But lets remember that lich/wraith forms are not persistent. Theres quite a bit of a cooldown, so unlike all the other classes that can self heal, a palemaster has to use this carefully. Casting lich form on yourself is one hell of a gamble anyway. Having played a pm since it came out live I can promise you its not something you click on lightly. Even if i could heal myself with necrotic touch id still have to consider if 40-80hp every few seconds (necrotic touch cooldown) is going to be enough for me to maintain my position. If I were say, to cast lich form and then try and burn down a mob with a few truesights in it...id be screwed, plain and simple. Healing per second is far more important than having the ability to do so. On the occasions where a wizards defenses fail (and it happens to the best of us) being in lich/wraith form can swiftly lead to your death, giving us the ability to have a lay on hands style ability while in this dangerous form would only end up giving us a lifeline...but if were being overwhelmed, were still screwed...unless you get lucky with a string of crits, the healing per second of necrotic touch just isnt enough to save my arse if im getting gangbanged without defenses because i went and ****ed off a horde of caster killers...and if my defenses are up and working...lol...i dont need heals anyway.

Besides...I carry a stack of heal scrolls...so having necrotic touch as a heal is just a way for me to survive 4 minutes in this extremely dangerous form.

p.s. Not all the summons are useless...pull out a blackbone arcane...it wont compare to your power, but it casts firewall all over the **** place, making your central firewall all that much more deadly as it is surrounded by mini firewalls. The mobs still stays focus'd on you (and hopefully the rest of your group) in the middle of the furnace...they have tonnes of mana, and last quite a while...this pet has saved me an amazing amount of mana.

Just my 2 cents,

Cheers

[Dylos_Moon]

I find it ironic that the pale master thread gets necro'd.