Pale Master review

[maddmatt70]

This does not sound like a very feasible pre. I mean how does somebody propose to stay alive with no healing for 3 minutes. A cleric has to constantly be looking at keeping the wizard up with the harm spell assuming a cleric can target the wizard. With no self healing, no ac, or dr to speak off this is the most clerical dependent character out there. Oh and how many FVS will be carrying inflict spells or harm. You thought there was a little warforge hate out there well this pre makes that look like a joke.

[Visty]

This does not sound like a very feasible pre. I mean how does somebody propose to stay alive with no healing for 3 minutes. A cleric has to constantly be looking at keeping the wizard up with the harm spell assuming a cleric can target the wizard. With no self healing, no ac, or dr to speak off this is the most clerical dependent character out there. Oh and how many FVS will be carrying inflict spells or harm. You thought there was a little warforge hate out there well this pre makes that look like a joke.

how to be kept alive? just liek a normal fleshy, just with a differant spell: harm instead of heal

[Cedwin]

how to be kept alive? just liek a normal fleshy, just with a differant spell: harm instead of heal

or Mass Inflict Wounds for the full group of wizzies with one cleric.

(I don't know if it works on players or not, haven't tested it.)

[maddmatt70]

how to be kept alive? just liek a normal fleshy, just with a differant spell: harm instead of heal

You folks do not play clerics clearly. No repair from sorc, only scroll healing from bards, fvs not carrying the spells. On anything of any matter or importance forget it only selfish wizards will be going into these forms and I do not need to play with selfish wizards.

[Monkey_Archer]

how to be kept alive? just liek a normal fleshy, just with a differant spell: harm instead of heal

Which would be fine... but you cant target yourself with inflict spells

[Visty]

Which would be fine... but you cant target yourself with inflict spells

well, your wizard will not cast harm anyway
thats what clerics are for

[Gol]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...=1#post2672978

Just copied over my WF Wiz. Can not repair reconstruct yourself. Drinking a repair pot give "immune".

-Flack.

scratch any plans I ever had of picking up pale master on my WF, then... Wow, talk about a kick to the nuts...

well, your wizard will not cast harm anyway
thats what clerics are for

Too bad you can't target allies with it.

[Cyr]

First off incredibly neat idea for a PrE. Something completely different then what a wizard would normally play. Then again this is exactly why the PrE is actually not very good. It gives bonuses to stuff you normally would never use because it is underpowered. The touch ability is neat for extra dps. The undead forms look like where the PrE is supposed to get it's real boost from (since summons in game rarely make much difference). They however are HORRIBLE. I love people getting all pumped about extra DC's on wail when they seem to be forgetting that it makes their wizard lose the best part of being a wizard...self healing. In fact, the undead forms are much worse then that making you essentially dependent on clerical healing...and specialized healing that they have to hit specifically for your toon...No one is going to be spamming mass inflicts to keep up the single Pale master in party. No bard stocks inflict spells and no favored soul that I know of.

Things to do to make the PrE possibly useful.

1) Add harm to the spell list for wizards and make it self targetable.
2) Remove the warforged repair healing immunity when in undead form.
3) Give the undead forms an attack form that heals them or better yet have the touch ability from the class inflict half the damage it inflicts to a target to the user (hurting in fleshy form or healing in undead form).
4) Create a summons Skelton line that spams negative energy spells including inflict masses.
5) Remove the immunity to healing besides negative energy and instead make all other types less effective by 50%.

[Flack]

Was kind of expecting that... and makes sense...

Still, you should at least be able to target yourself with chill touch and inflict wound scrolls...

Invalid target on Chill touch and trying to UMD inflict scrolls.

So looks like this PrE is only useful if you have another PM in group and you can necrotic touch each other. Man that sounds dirty.

-Flack.

[moorewr]

I just don't see how you can survive with no means to restore HP. At the very least you need to be able to target a Pale Master/lich/wraith with negative energy spells.

[Visty]

scratch any plans I ever had of picking up pale master on my WF, then... Wow, talk about a kick to the nuts...

Too bad you can't target allies with it.

check har magain
it says target: foe, undead friend
just like the necrotouch from the palemaster

[Visty]

Invalid target on Chill touch and trying to UMD inflict scrolls.

So looks like this PrE is only useful if you have another PM in group and you can necrotic touch each other. Man that sounds dirty.

-Flack.

or a friendly cleric with harm

[moorewr]

check har magain
it says target: foe, undead friend
just like the necrotouch from the palemaster

Have you in fact cast harm on a pale master in lich or wraith form on Lamannia, or are you speculating?

[Superspeed_Hi5]

Really lackluster PrE. It is much better in PnP then here. Heck its even better in Neverwinter Nights then here.

[maddmatt70]

Invalid target on Chill touch and trying to UMD inflict scrolls.

So looks like this PrE is only useful if you have another PM in group and you can necrotic touch each other. Man that sounds dirty.

-Flack.

So pale masters have to run with each other and only have targeted healing on each other. That is pretty limiting.

[Monkey_Archer]

Went out on a limb...

Even casting mass inflict wounds on a summon does not heal you in undead form...

[Visty]

Have you in fact cast harm on a pale master in lich or wraith form on Lamannia, or are you speculating?

speculating, havent found a PM yet^^

but as M_A just said, inflict doesnt work, so harm wont either...would bug report that cause it should considering its target entry

[Xenus_Paradox]

Negative energy healing doesn't work in PvP areas.

[KristovK]

You folks do not play clerics clearly. No repair from sorc, only scroll healing from bards, fvs not carrying the spells. On anything of any matter or importance forget it only selfish wizards will be going into these forms and I do not need to play with selfish wizards.

So..someone obviously doesn't like this PrE...shesh, chill man.

IF the Inflict/Harm spells will 'heal' a PM in undead form, what's the problem? So your awesome Cleric preps up Inflict Serious Wounds, that ought to do the trick, it's a WIZARD after all. The Undead form has some serious attractions for most of us who'll be going PM, explained already, and those are worth a Healer character prep up some Inflict spells or buying the scrolls to be used on them(which would be a great money sink since currently no one buys those scrolls!).

*edit*

IF the Inflict/Harm doesn't 'heal' the PM in undead form, then it's simple, they fix that bug! Neg energy spells SHOULD 'heal' the PM in undead form, that's directly from PnP and anything else would definately be a bug that needs to be reported and fixed.

[Jay203]

anyone else noticing that the devs are kind of obsessed with the idea of giving us abilities that comes with healing immunity on it? >___>