Pale Master Forms

[Khellendros13]

Harm/Inflict targets only foes and Undead Friend (huh?!). Probably a change to the spell in the future for that?

PS: Wonder if there's a WF Wraith/Lich...that would be awesome!

Also, if you die in undead form, does rezz work? If so, does rezzing return you to human form or the last form you were on?

Going to test my WF with this tonight. Reconstruct scrolls should get around the healing.

Does the Frostmarrow Mage aura heal you ?

[asphodeli]

Grr, 1 more hour till Lamannia downloads so that I can test it with my 9 Clr/11 Wiz toon. Even then, there will be the patching process...

[Xenus_Paradox]

Lich form grants an inflict light on unarmed attacks. Thanks to Golari for speccing into Pale Master and testing everything.

Oh, and the tier 2 and 3 skellie mages can cast firewalls!

[etelan]

So let me get this straight. The pale master set bonus from Tower of Despair is actually detrimental to even pale masters unless your in wraith form...

EDIT: I tested this out and both forms give the undead bonuses (100% crit, negative energy healing), but neither form gives the undead bonuses in public areas. Also, my pale master ring was changed to a negative energy boost that doesn't seem to stack with potency.

[Dylos_Moon]

So let me get this straight. The pale master set bonus from Tower of Despair is actually detrimental to even pale masters unless your in wraith form...

the set bonuses got changed.

Greater Nullification IX for 2 piece set, and Epic (+60%) Nullification IX for PM3

[samho]

So let me get this straight. The pale master set bonus from Tower of Despair is actually detrimental to even pale masters unless your in wraith form...

Just so you know, the pale master set bonus from ToD have changed.

[asphodeli]

Just a suggestion, would be nice if there is an ability or spell that allows Pale Masters to transform into wraith form automatically once you reach 50% HP, kinda like the Stalwart Pact spell.

[Dylos_Moon]

So let me get this straight. The pale master set bonus from Tower of Despair is actually detrimental to even pale masters unless your in wraith form...

Also, lich form seems to have neg energy healing as well, though you cannot heal yourself with your touch ranged attack.

And the neg energy healing does not happen when either form if activated in a public zone (including tavern brawl)

[Visty]

can you target your undeads with other negative spells too?
aka can you fear your own skellys with chilltouch?

[SimVerg]

Finally, the Abbot robe has a purpose.

[Xenus_Paradox]

now to find a good build for pale master.....

Try Wizard 13/Monk 7. Path of Inevitable Dominion, Fists of Darkness. Fire/cold spec. Go unarmed. Wear the Abbot's robe if a fleshie, or go Warforged so you can still be repaired in lich mode.

Should have good survivability and decent DPS. And your necromancy spells will have a nice high DC.

[Visty]

Try Wizard 13/Monk 7. Path of Inevitable Dominion, Fists of Darkness. Fire/cold spec. Go unarmed. Wear the Abbot's robe if a fleshie, or go Warforged so you can still be repaired in lich mode.

Should have good survivability and decent DPS. And your necromancy spells will have a nice high DC.

hmm, why monk7? why not go wiz13/mnk6/fighter1 so you get some nice hasteboost too. monk7 only gives wholenes of body and some recovery enhancements, so imo its not worth to take that lvl

(this post was made with information out of the compendium as it is right now. if theres some nifty new monk stuff at lvl7, let me know

[SolarDawning]

(this post was made with information out of the compendium as it is right now. if theres some nifty new monk stuff at lvl7, let me know

Afraid not, the nifty bit (Touch of Death) requires monk level 9. =(
But wow, Touch of Death is sexy. Played with it for a couple hours today.

[Visty]

Afraid not, the nifty bit (Touch of Death) requires monk level 9. =(
But wow, Touch of Death is sexy. Played with it for a couple hours today.

yeah, but then you cant be a lich though^^ sadly

someone said in here that lichs do inclict damage on unarmed hits, do those get amplyfied by items?
so maybe the wiz13/mnk6/cleric1 for another 10% would be a way to go too (though hasteboost would prolly be better^^)

[SolarDawning]

yeah, but then you cant be a lich though^^ sadly

someone said in here that lichs do inclict damage on unarmed hits, do those get amplyfied by items?
so maybe the wiz13/mnk6/cleric1 for another 10% would be a way to go too (though hasteboost would prolly be better^^)

Well, Monk 3 gets you the Path of Domination, and Fists of Darkness with it.
The Dark/Dark/Dark finisher puts a curse on the target that lowers their fortification by 25%, healing by 50%, and increases negative energy damage taken by 25%.

Wizard 17/monk 3 could have a very, very heavy hitter on a target with the touch attack, if they peg the enemy with that curse first. 450+ damage would be doable.

[Xenus_Paradox]

hmm, why monk7? why not go wiz13/mnk6/fighter1 so you get some nice hasteboost too. monk7 only gives wholenes of body and some recovery enhancements, so imo its not worth to take that lvl

(this post was made with information out of the compendium as it is right now. if theres some nifty new monk stuff at lvl7, let me know

Just picked it off the top of my head. Monk 6/X 1 is probably better.

[Visty]

Well, Monk 3 gets you the Path of Domination, and Fists of Darkness with it.
The Dark/Dark/Dark finisher puts a curse on the target that lowers their fortification by 25%, healing by 50%, and increases negative energy damage taken by 25%.

Wizard 17/monk 3 could have a very, very heavy hitter on a target with the touch attack, if they peg the enemy with that curse first. 450+ damage would be doable.

hmmmmmm

though that would be more a caster type imo while the 13/6/1 would be more of a fighter type (and with that curse on airstance 2 and haste boost those inflict on hit add up to alot too)

[Dylos_Moon]

Well, Monk 3 gets you the Path of Domination, and Fists of Darkness with it.
The Dark/Dark/Dark finisher puts a curse on the target that lowers their fortification by 25%, healing by 50%, and increases negative energy damage taken by 25%.

Wizard 17/monk 3 could have a very, very heavy hitter on a target with the touch attack, if they peg the enemy with that curse first. 450+ damage would be doable.

Consider that you already have +35% (or +45% as pale master 3) damage on neg energy spells, and if you have the tod set, another +30 (+60 if you are pale master 3) for 75.5% boost or (132% with pale master 3) and that your 17d6 would do ~60 damage on average without these, meaning ~105 with the 75.5% boost, or 20d6 ~70 and ~162 with pale master 3 and level 20 wiz. After max/emp these become 315/486, and on a crit with major void lore, they do double damage for 630/972.

Now multiply the first numbers by 1.25 and lets see which are higher: 75 or 70? 131 or 162? 393 or 486? 787 or 972?

It looks to me like a Wizard20 Pale Master3 will do more damage with their touch range ability then a Wizard17/Monk3 Pale Master2 will do when only the later gets the neg energy debuff on their target.

[Xenus_Paradox]

Consider that you already have +35% (or +45% as pale master 3) damage on neg energy spells, and if you have the tod set, another +30 (+60 if you are pale master 3) for 75.5% boost or (132% with pale master 3) and that your 17d6 would do ~60 damage on average without these, meaning ~105 with the 75.5% boost, or 20d6 ~70 and ~162 with pale master 3 and level 20 wiz. After max/emp these become 315/486, and on a crit with major void lore, they do double damage for 630/972.

Now multiply the first numbers by 1.25 and lets see which are higher: 75 or 70? 131 or 162? 393 or 486? 787 or 972?

It looks to me like a Wizard20 Pale Master3 will do more damage with their touch range ability then a Wizard17/Monk3 Pale Master2 will do when only the later gets the neg energy debuff on their target.

Sure. But the monk version can whack away with unarmed attacks - which will also benefit from the negative energy enhancements - during the 6-second cooldown on the Necrotic Touch.

[richieelias]

Consider that you already have +35% (or +45% as pale master 3) damage on neg energy spells, and if you have the tod set, another +30 (+60 if you are pale master 3) for 75.5% boost or (132% with pale master 3) and that your 17d6 would do ~60 damage on average without these, meaning ~105 with the 75.5% boost, or 20d6 ~70 and ~162 with pale master 3 and level 20 wiz. After max/emp these become 315/486, and on a crit with major void lore, they do double damage for 630/972.

Now multiply the first numbers by 1.25 and lets see which are higher: 75 or 70? 131 or 162? 393 or 486? 787 or 972?

It looks to me like a Wizard20 Pale Master3 will do more damage with their touch range ability then a Wizard17/Monk3 Pale Master2 will do when only the later gets the neg energy debuff on their target.

That and 3 monk levels means that finishers DC will be absolutely horrid. I think just about everything at level 20 will have to roll a 1 just for you to succeed.

Sticking at 2 monk levels and forgetting about the finisher would be much better. That way you also have lich forms negative damage on unarmed attacks as well.

hmmmmmm

though that would be more a caster type imo while the 13/6/1 would be more of a fighter type (and with that curse on airstance 2 and haste boost those inflict on hit add up to alot too)

Cant get lich form and either of airstance 2 or curse. Its one or the other.

i.e. lich form comes with wiz18