Crowd Control/Heroic Surge Feedback

[Tolero]

This thread is for general feedback about the changes to crowd control and the addition of the Heroic Surge effect. If you have targeted feedback about a specific spell or specific effect, please visit the Specific Spell Feedback thread.

[Mjesko]

I think that the reoccurring saves for many cc spells are a very good idea, but the diminished duration will probably make the game too easy and it sounds like Turbine is getting DDO ready for PVP, which is a bad idea in my opinion.

I fear that the Heroic Surge will make Charm and Dominate spells against monsters even less useful, because they will faster break free from the spell, esp. on higher difficulties. That makes cc casters less useful on higher difficulties, which is a bad idea in my opinion.

[Jiipster]

Psst. It's spelled "Heroic".

*points at thread title*

[Borror0]

the diminished duration will probably make the game too easy

How so? Just ask your local cleric for Freedom of Movements. Well, unless Eladrin plans to nerf that one next. *crossesfingers*

[Zenako]

Do the mobs get Heroic Surges too? I had one occur while being tripped/overrun by the Maralith in The Demons Den. It had a short duration (5 to 10 seconds) and it freed me from the effects of overrun (which in this case was not a big issue, her melee attacks are not to be feared unlike her big sisters it appears.)

Not sure why this is being introduced and what systemic problem is supposed to address however.

[bobbryan2]

Do the mobs get Heroic Surges too? I had one occur while being tripped/overrun by the Maralith in The Demons Den. It had a short duration (5 to 10 seconds) and it freed me from the effects of overrun (which in this case was not a big issue, her melee attacks are not to be feared unlike her big sisters it appears.)

Not sure why this is being introduced and what systemic problem is supposed to address however.

You don't know what systemic problem it's supposed to address?

Really?

Cuz it's specified in the release notes. Along with whether mobs get it. Did you read the release notes?

[Zenako]

You don't know what systemic problem it's supposed to address?

Really?

Cuz it's specified in the release notes. Along with whether mobs get it. Did you read the release notes?

Sorry I was off on Lamannia trying it out in person...had not read the notes...

[ghale]

Do the mobs get Heroic Surges too? I had one occur while being tripped/overrun by the Maralith in The Demons Den. It had a short duration (5 to 10 seconds) and it freed me from the effects of overrun (which in this case was not a big issue, her melee attacks are not to be feared unlike her big sisters it appears.)

Not sure why this is being introduced and what systemic problem is supposed to address however.

Hint, it starts with Air and ends with Elementals...

[rjedi]

Hint, it starts with Air and ends with Elementals...

And does it rhyme with Dare and Credentials?

edit: wow that was a epic failure on my behalf

[Riorik]

Hint, it starts with Air and ends with Elementals...

That fix has been in the game for awhile. It's called Acrobat - Rogue 12 FTW!

[ieatogres]

Hint, it starts with Air and ends with Elementals...

Air Elementals should be fixed by simply reducing the rate at which players must save against them to something reasonable like once or twice a second. Currently the rate is set way to high and thus even high save characters fail in just a second or two when you have to save about 10-20 times a second.

[carlston]

Do the mobs get Heroic Surges too? I had one occur while being tripped/overrun by the Maralith in The Demons Den. It had a short duration (5 to 10 seconds) and it freed me from the effects of overrun (which in this case was not a big issue, her melee attacks are not to be feared unlike her big sisters it appears.)

Not sure why this is being introduced and what systemic problem is supposed to address however.

I am sure just like mobs get unlimited mana, casting on the move, never missing ray spells....yeah they will have heroic surge probley every other second...

Just a bad idea all in all. Notice they just don't stop mobs from greater commanding us for like 5-6 minutes, this reeks of forced Pvp.

[Mjesko]

How so? Just ask your local cleric for Freedom of Movements. Well, unless Eladrin plans to nerf that one next. *crossesfingers*

Because now you probably dont need Freedom of Movement, Remove Fear, ... anymore.

People that want long-lasting, loyal servants use Suggestion spells over Charms anyway, it's just that much more reliable.

Good point, but will a monster, that is affected by Suggestion, get a Heroic Surge after a few seconds? If yes it will probably break free before the duration ends.

[BoBoDaClown]

How about they now get rid of monster immunities to mind-CC and give us CC Bards some love

The monsters could heroic surge out of it.

Blanket immunities stink.

[Mjesko]

How about they now get rid of monster immunities to mind-CC and give us CC Bards some love

The monsters could heroic surge out of it.

Blanket immunities stink.

That is a great idea. IF Turbine removes the immunities and replaces them with heroic surges it would be a very good change.

[zealous]

How about they now get rid of monster immunities to mind-CC and give us CC Bards some love

The monsters could heroic surge out of it.

Blanket immunities stink.

/signed

Give red/purples varying kinds of surges and suddenly a plenthora of currently subpar specs, spells and abilities become viable.

[sirgog]

I fear that the Heroic Surge will make Charm and Dominate spells against monsters even less useful, because they will faster break free from the spell, esp. on higher difficulties. That makes cc casters less useful on higher difficulties, which is a bad idea in my opinion.

People that want long-lasting, loyal servants use Suggestion spells over Charms anyway, it's just that much more reliable.

[rimble]

This thread is for general feedback about the changes to crowd control and the addition of the Heroic Surge effect. If you have targeted feedback about a specific spell or specific effect, please visit the Specific Spell Feedback thread.

All we really needed was Air elementals to be toned down, and the duration on some effects shortened. It's just no fun waiting around for someone Commanded or Petrified for three minutes...the wide-sweeping change confuzzles me. Being tripped while already tripped is against the source rules, but I think temporary immunity to trip is going too far the other way. Just needed to fix the being tripped while tripped stuff. Smart players could already block to get back up.

[quickgrif]

All we really needed was Air elementals to be toned down, and the duration on some effects shortened. It's just no fun waiting around for someone Commanded or Petrified for three minutes...the wide-sweeping change confuzzles me. Being tripped while already tripped is against the source rules, but I think temporary immunity to trip is going too far the other way. Just needed to fix the being tripped while tripped stuff. Smart players could already block to get back up.

Yeah I can agree with that. Those are the two places that always were ludicrous. I feared as a melee player running into air elementals more than the final boss in many quest!?!?!?

[Riorik]

Lot of comments already so no need to state it again. This is just a bad idea.

Playing all the difficulty levels; especially on elite & epic - this is a huge player nerf, not player benefits. Last time I checked, I never saw it as a priority to make the game fun for the monsters & enemies.