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    I have a level 15 warforged tempest ranger.

    Stats: 27 23 24 12 19 8 at the moment

    Feats: ewp:khopesh, dodge, mobility, spring attack, ic:slash, power attack

    I had been planning on taking toughness for my last feat but then I realized that I needed another feat to qualify for tempest III. Being that my ac is low and I don't plan on blocking much I have eliminated twd and twb.

    So, question number one is: Lightning reflexes or oversized two weapon fighting? I am leaning towards lightning reflexes because I feel like +2 reflex will benefit me more than +2 to hit, that I can bypass by equipping a kukri in my offhand if needed. Anything to help make a reflex save seems good to me.

    But then question number two is: what about switching out ewp:khopesh for toughness? Is this a crazy idea? If I did this then I might want to go for otwf to recoup part of the difference. I sure would like more hp.
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    First and foremost, don't lose the Khopesh proficiency. For your Warforged it is the best in game weapon for Two Weapon Fighting bar none.

    Tempest 3 Requirements: http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Enhan...er_Tempest_III

    Your feat choice is dependant on if you have a shortfall in your character (barring the obvious AC deficiency you have mentioned). Two Weapon Defense is out if your AC is not already in the mid 50s or above. Two Weapon Blocking is also out, as I don't believe the DR improvement compares to blocking with a Shield and if your blocking then well, your not hitting something. If you really need to block, pull out a Shield.

    So that leaves us with Lightning Reflexes or Oversized Two Weapon Fighting.

    I would suggest you test your character at level 17. To do this, test if you can hit stuff on Elite Difficulty in Shavarath 95% of the time? If an extra +2 to hit is going to make a difference, then go for Oversize Two Weapon fighting. Test your evasion as well - Enter the Kobold is the ideal quest for this, right at the end in that absolute Inferno you have to stand in to attack the boss. If you don't pass a high enough percentage of Evasion saves, then consider taking Lightning Reflexes.

    As for Toughness, if your staying Pure Ranger, then your commonly SOOL as we say in the UK, if you want to take Tempest 3 enhancement (and you'd be crazy not too!). The only possibility is obviously to multiclass, but be careful, and consider this very carefully.

    If you want to Multiclass (losing the Archery Capstone, the final Favoured Enemy and extra step of Favoured Enemy damage), then I would consider a Fighter level. This will provide you an additional feat, preserve your Base Attack Bonus, allow you to take Fighter Toughness 1 as well as the feat, and also take Fighter Haste boost 1 to improve your DPS further.

    Good Luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlathen View Post
    First and foremost, don't lose the Khopesh proficiency. For your Warforged it is the best in game weapon for Two Weapon Fighting bar none.
    I know, just because I was thinking of dropping proficiency doesn't mean I want to stop using khopeshes, just that I would deal with a -4 to hit.

    Also, I am not interested in multiclassing and I would like to get my reflex into the mid-thirties, it is twenty now, +3 more for levels and +2 more for resistance (+5 item) leaves me short even with lightning reflexes. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeaselKing View Post
    I know, just because I was thinking of dropping proficiency doesn't mean I want to stop using khopeshes, just that I would deal with a -4 to hit.
    Its in my opinion that this would be a bad thing to do and that you would compound your problems. However, you could well test this at level 17 alongside the testing for Oversize TWF and see for yourself.

    As for your reflex save, a Planar Gird and its Greater Heroism self buff is always really handy to top it up another +4 ....

    +12 Base @ Lvl 20 Ranger
    +06 Dex Bonus (Dex 22)
    +05 Resistance Item
    +01 Good luck (Voice of the Master)
    +01 Alchemical (Jewelry Ritual)
    +04 Greater Heroism
    +02 Lightning Reflexes
    = 31.. ?

    I can't think of any more bonuses off the top of my head, but if I do I'll edit this post.
    Last edited by Arlathen; 01-06-2010 at 01:14 PM. Reason: Edit: Listing of Reflex Save
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeaselKing View Post
    Also, I am not interested in multiclassing
    if your not gonna at least dip a lvl of monk or fighter for the free feat then you will have a real hard choice if you want tempIII. droppin khop prof and getting otwf is still a net loss on your to-hit (and you will need every bit you can get unless you want to be turning off pa all the time. imo choices are lose toughness or make some minII khops and lose ic:s. thats about it. hps are hard to replace...........

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    I think I advised someone in this exact same situation to dip into fighter and pick up toughness, only to be corrected and told that toughness is not a fighter bonus feat. However, I may have been thinking and talking about monk. It's one or the other. You can always cancel out of the level-up dialog if you are not happy with what you're seeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Club'in View Post
    I think I advised someone in this exact same situation to dip into fighter and pick up toughness, only to be corrected and told that toughness is not a fighter bonus feat. However, I may have been thinking and talking about monk. It's one or the other. You can always cancel out of the level-up dialog if you are not happy with what you're seeing.
    i dont think toughness works for either class as a bonus feat, would have to use fighter feat to take otwf or swap out pa for otwf and take pa with monk feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Club'in View Post
    I think I advised someone in this exact same situation to dip into fighter and pick up toughness, only to be corrected and told that toughness is not a fighter bonus feat. However, I may have been thinking and talking about monk. It's one or the other. You can always cancel out of the level-up dialog if you are not happy with what you're seeing.
    Your absolutely right: http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Categ...er_Bonus_Feats

    Toughness can definitly be taken as a Monk bonus feat however. A common choice for Monk 2 splash builds is Power Attack & Toughness as bonus feats on non-Ranger builds. On Ranger builds the bonus feats can be spent on Dodge and Mobility for Tempest pre-requisites.
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    Up to this point we've all been beating around the bush. Lolth has a very small box in which you can hit her.

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