Why is their a fighter class?

[Zantul]

I always end up tanking lol! My ac is always higher then the tank too. I guesss things will change once I get past level 13. I am having a blast with my monk.

[Goldeneye]

Your AC will be higher, but your dps will be significantly less then the equally geared fighter

Monks, like all melee classes have their pros and cons.... you know that

[Impaqt]

Most fighters in this game are not "Tanks"

[Zantul]

LOL let me put on my +5 icy burst hw of bleeding and turn on wind stance with flurry of blows and tanks can KMA.

[toughguyjoe]

LOL let me put on my +5 icy burst hw of bleeding and turn on wind stance with flurry of blows and tanks can KMA.

LOL let me equip my +5 Supreme Tyrant greensteel Greataxe of Lightning and Click Power Attack and Rage pot, Madstone, Barb Rage, Frenzy, Death Frenzy and go in and deal more DPS than you could ever DREAM of dealing*.

XD

*SuperDuper Uber Monks like Jazzmine not withstanding*

[ArkoHighStar]

LOL let me equip my +5 Supreme Tyrant greensteel Greataxe of Lightning and Click Power Attack and Rage pot, Madstone, Barb Rage, Frenzy, Death Frenzy and go in and deal more DPS than you could ever DREAM of dealing*.

XD

*SuperDuper Uber Monks like Jazzmine not withstanding*

stop it your gonna give Bo a big head

[Dartwick]

stop it your gonna give Bo a big head

I think the real point to be made is that for a fighter to have decent AC it takes more compromises and expensive/rare gear than it does for a monk to have decent AC.

On the other hand if you want great AC both classes require expensive/rare gear and specialized builds.

The problem is that the pen and paper rules didnt translate very well to the high lvl game in DDO so fighters have AC issues. They rewote the rules somewhat with enhancements but it was easier to effectively rewrite the rules for monks.

[shawnystyle7]

LOL let me put on my +5 icy burst hw of bleeding and turn on wind stance with flurry of blows and tanks can KMA.

so, lets say said tank (fighter kensai) uses 2 +5 iceyburst kopeshs of bleeding (i dont know if this setup exsists, but I also dont know why OP thinks icy burst of bleeding is 1337) do you think you will hit anywhere near as hard as he does? Do handwraps have x3 crit damage, 16-20 crit range? Do monks get weapon specs, enhancements to crit damage, enhancements to str, haste/str/damage clickies?

I think monks rock but you sir are a moron if you think you will outdps a twf kensai.

[Letrii]

We get permanent haste with wind stance, no clickie needed.

[shawnystyle7]

We get permanent haste with wind stance, no clickie needed.

Which something like 25% of stacks with haste depending on level of stance, as opposed to 100% stacking clickie.
Haste both the monk and the fighter and the fighter closes the gap on attack speed, capstone the fighter (10% that stacks) and it should be around even, but wait... theres that clicky again.

Even if the monk has more attacks, it will still not put you in the dps range of a kensai. Clicky needed.

[Emili]

We get permanent haste with wind stance, no clickie needed.

And really is nearly the only viable option on a monk... fighter also have a capstone for speed available and a 35% attack boost clickie for bosses, yet... fighter have something else monk do not have - complete versitility.

Monks are stuck with handwraps and occasional kama or else become a 3/4 BaB (think BaB and to-hit do not matter go play elites and epics) ... if you build a monk hard press high ac it diminishes DPS quickly if not careful, If we spec a monk too much DPS (which still does not come close to fighter) it tarnishes the ac. In epic and elite end-game AC is hard to attain, tanking is done more off HP ... reason being is for instance Sulu on norm - 72 ac... and If we take a 74 AC monk and place him to tank Sulu... every other DPS based class will have to diminish thier DPS (shut off PA, Remove thier bloodstones, remove thier tharnes... etc... ) So as not to steal the agro - Why? Well simply put They do more DPS - so have to back it down.

If we looked at all the classes on averages - a Kensai will appear in the top 10 or 20 of the DPS build charts repeatedly... windstancing monks will not. I know I have a high level windstance Monk I also have a Kensai, Berzerker, a few Tempest, Kotc, Assasin and can tell you this - among melee monk is the hardest thing to ever produce adequate DPS from...

What monks are good for are specialties... stunning blow, buffs, etc... it are the special attacks monks are good at... yet to build such in landing these things more often is a balance point too. A kensai practically trips oranged named elite orthons by looking at them... to build a monk in that fashion of landing things is much more gear and planning...

Who mentioned +5 icy burst handwraps of bleeding - when I think of this - is a pitance of a weapon.

[Spiffyspiffy]

LOL let me put on my +5 icy burst hw of bleeding and turn on wind stance with flurry of blows and tanks can KMA.

That'll do wonders against undead. Who don't bleed and are (mostly) immune or resistant to cold.

[rezo]

not all true, at lower end you will have low amount of dps but, at high end will out dps most fight with your handwraps.

[Goldeneye]

not all true, at lower end you will have low amount of dps but, at high end will out dps most fight with your handwraps.

I assume you are trying to say:
At low levels, monks will have low dps
at high levels, monks will out-dps most fighters with handwraps?

Imagine a level 20 Fighter: Dual Min2 Khopeshes, 16-20x3 crit, buffed to 50+ STR
Without Greensteel and a significant DPS increase, there is no way a monk will ever do more damage.

[Bardicus]

Except they implemented these nifty rings see...

http://community.codemasters.com/for...d.php?t=393789

[Captain_Wizbang]

Must be we are looking at different Ftr builds!

I've seen many a "tank" that will take it to the enemy!

But hey! you never know, maybe the newcomer knows something we dont!

[Quikster]

A well built, well played monk can do significant dps.

[Shaamis]

not all true, at lower end you will have low amount of dps but, at high end will out dps most fight with your handwraps.

sorry but wrong.

I have a 20th level WF Ftr, who with a +2 vorpal greataxe, one of the lowest DPS'ing weapons at high level, can out DPS my Monk.

My monk when he was critting with +4 fl. burst handwraps of pure good were doing about 50 pts. plus burst and PG damage. he crits on a 19-20 most of the time.

My ftr with the above greataxe (not counting my Lightning II Greataxe *LOVE IT*) is still doing a ton more:

Kensai III (only available to 18+ lvl ftrs) gives huge bonuses to damage before crit multipliers.

Ftrs get bonuses to Strength, which Monks do not.

Monks dont get all of those gun bonuses at higher levels, so their DPS gap widens.

When my WF Ftr uses his Lightning II Greataxe, I do 30-50 points of SPLASH damage, and when the lightning strikes, I have done 952 points of Lightning damage alone, not counting the 200+ crit I just did on the poor mob.

I love my monk Shaamis to death (currently lvl 5 reincarnated) but DPS is the one downside of monks

[Zantul]

And for the record I always played a wizard and the reason I rolled a monk is because what I am experiencing I saw with my own two eyes. I grew tired of seeing the monk doing the tanking and being the last man standing.

Hell the one time I saw a beholder wipe the group in seconds and the monk stayed behind and cleaned up all the beholders all by herself then grabbed our soul stones and rezed the healer and I was like what the ##$%#% I am rolling a monk and since I did I have seen the light and all your years of experience cant change what I have seen so far and if you read my post I clearly stated maybe things will change.

Monks rock in MANY different ways.

[Kerrn_Siff]

And for the record I always played a wizard and the reason I rolled a monk is because what I am experiencing I saw with my own two eyes. I grew tired of seeing the monk doing the tanking and being the last man standing.

Hell the one time I saw a beholder wipe the group in seconds and the monk stayed behind and cleaned up all the beholders all by herself then grabbed our soul stones and rezed the healer and I was like what the ##$%#% I am rolling a monk and since I did I have seen the light and all your years of experience cant change what I have seen so far and if you read my post I clearly stated maybe things will change.

Monks rock in MANY different ways.

As would any properly built pally/cleric/FvS/rogue/barb in that situation with the beholders..

we already said you won, now go be happy in your sandbox.