Blind Invite story

[The10man]

Background:
So I am getting really tired of being blind invited to groups. I don't want to run my characters as anonymous as I have friends that look me up on the who, and I don't like the anonymous tag in the LFM screen as I like to know who I would potentially be partying with before joining the group.

My WF wizzy especially seems to be getting blind invites regularly since F2P was instituted.

Story:
So the other night I am online waiting for my guildies to log in so we can run VON 1-4 and to spend time rather than waste it I was soloing the desert looking for slayers/and a bloodstone. Right in the middle of a bunch of mummies you guessed it DING player XXX invites you to join their party. I was needing to get a FW off so in my haste I clicked Accept rather than Decline got my FW off then healed up started to drop then thought NAH lemme just hang then use the drop to reset my instance. So I continued to make the loop killin and shrinin and runnin around.

No communication from anyone in group for like 4 minutes then group gets full and someone asks "what are we running?" Several quest shares go off for quests I had already picked up. Noone had said anything to me at all even tho my mana bar/health bar were falling and rising as I ran around, healed up, nuked, shrined, and used my SS ring.

Finally the leader asks if I'm coming. I said where? He said House J. I replied Nope I'm soloing in the desert you blind invited me to your group I thought you might just want company or something thanks anyways good luck. He doesn't have a reply but rather drops group then rejoins. The other guy now with star says are you coming? I said again no I am waiting on guildies and soloing. He says well CYA. Wait for it...nothing happens. I say to him if you're trying to dismiss me you might notice the error message that reads can't dismiss while in a dungeon. I told you I was soloing.

Please learn to use the LFM If I can I will join as I like to group to get XP faster, but when my time is limited, I'm waiting on guildies, or I have to take lots of AFKs while cooking etc I don't group.

DO NOT BLIND INVITE!!! I think this will be my tactic for blind invites from now on.

[hydra_ex]

Thats good!

+1 rep.

[Sir_Chonas]

This is a reportable harassment I think because it's similar to something I asked a question about a few weeks ago.

Tarrant called it "griefing," then locked the thread.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

This is a reportable harassment I think because it's similar to something I asked a question about a few weeks ago.

Tarrant called it "griefing," then locked the thread.

Let's see that link. I can't imagine how accepting an invite could be called griefing. Now sending one uninvited, that's griefing.

[Ghoste]

This is a reportable harassment I think because it's similar to something I asked a question about a few weeks ago.

Tarrant called it "griefing," then locked the thread.

So the trick is to say what you have to say over voice chat. Deny any allegations if a GM contacts you, saying that your sound wasn't working so you had no idea what was going on.

[Ghoste]

Let's see that link. I can't imagine how accepting an invite could be called griefing. Now sending one uninvited, that's griefing.

He's talking about intentionally preventing them from filling the party with someone who will help with the quest.

[Sir_Chonas]

"I said again no I am waiting on guildies and soloing. He says well CYA. Wait for it...nothing happens. I say to him if you're trying to dismiss me you might notice the error message that reads can't dismiss while in a dungeon. I told you I was soloing."

That would be the griefing part. Causing them to have to break party over stubbornness.

[darkrune]

Moral of the story is: STOP WITH THE BLIND INVITES IT'S RUDE!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the griefing BS, I will be reported a hundred times over because I am going to be doing the same from now on, they might as well start watching my account now

[darkrune]

"I said again no I am waiting on guildies and soloing. He says well CYA. Wait for it...nothing happens. I say to him if you're trying to dismiss me you might notice the error message that reads can't dismiss while in a dungeon. I told you I was soloing."

That would be the griefing part. Causing them to have to break party over stubbornness.

Funny that he is the one griefing when he is in an instance already running a quest... He just continued about his way and explained to the leader of the group that you are unable to dismiss players in an instance and that blind invites are rude. To me this would clearly be arguing semantics and if the GM's start booting people for this there wont be too many people left in game.

[Calebro]

That would be the griefing part. Causing them to have to break party over stubbornness.

Over stubbornness?!?
He was busy doing his thing when the blind invite came. He was busy fighting and didn't have time to jack around, so he hit a button to get it off the screen. They have to wait until he's done with what he's doing for him to leave.

Their fault, not his.

I almost died in the middle of a battle earlier today because a blind invite popped up during the boss fight. On elite. While solo. On my PD toon.

I would have been ****** if I had to re-roll because some idiot threw me a blind invite.

[malicia]

So the trick is to say what you have to say over voice chat. Deny any allegations if a GM contacts you, saying that your sound wasn't working so you had no idea what was going on.

Or just deny the invite and be on your way i guess. Im pretty sure thats what the OP would have done anyways since he said he only hit accept by accident.

Griefing someone intentionally then trying to pull a fast one on a GM? Does that make you any better than the guy who sent the blind invite in the first place? What kind of advice is this.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

"I said again no I am waiting on guildies and soloing. He says well CYA. Wait for it...nothing happens. I say to him if you're trying to dismiss me you might notice the error message that reads can't dismiss while in a dungeon. I told you I was soloing."

That would be the griefing part. Causing them to have to break party over stubbornness.

Nope, he accepted an invite, they saw (or should have seen) he was in quest at the time. He can't drop in quest any more easily than they can kick him in quest. The fault was entirely on the part of the blind inviter who griefed him by sending a blind invite to someone in quest, something that is annoying and could have put him at risk if he was mid fight. He just tried to quickly make a box go away. Maybe he thought it was a friend who wanted something. Nope, no actionable griefing there by the OP, possibly griefing by the person who sent him an invite.

Over stubbornness?!?
He was busy doing his thing when the blind invite came. He was busy fighting and didn't have time to jack around, so he hit a button to get it off the screen. They have to wait until he's done with what he's doing for him to leave.

Their fault, not his.

I almost died in the middle of a battle earlier today because a blind invite popped up during the boss fight. On elite. While solo. On my PD toon.

I would have been ****** if I had to re-roll because some idiot threw me a blind invite.

Yup, my point exactly, the blind inviter is the one who should be facing a greifing complaint.

[Ghoste]

Griefing someone intentionally then trying to pull a fast one on a GM? Does that make you any better than the guy who sent the blind invite in the first place? What kind of advice is this.

Why does it have to be about being better than someone? Who cares if you're any better than him? Lol, silly fleshling sense of morality...

[Xgemina]

This is a reportable harassment I think because it's similar to something I asked a question about a few weeks ago.

Tarrant called it "griefing," then locked the thread.

Yeah, but in this case he didn't intentionally join the group to prevent it from being filled or to mess up their xp. It would be a different thing if he purposely went out of his way to mess up the group.

That being said, he was in an instance himself. He couldn't leave the group unless he was out of the instance or he would get the same message, right? So, you want him to jump out of what he's doing because some moron blind invited him? All they had to do was break and reform, pretty easy on their end since they were not in an instance yet.

[Sir_Chonas]

Picture the words that the OP posted being submitted with a harassment griefing report. Do people reported get a chance to defend themselves? Is it likely that with the conversation provided that it would seem like the OP "accidentally" clicked accept?

I'm just saying how I think this could be taken. In this instance it isn't griefing, but posting on the forums because it's funny and inspiring others to do the same while altering step 1 and doing it on purpose is what instigated my first post.

I believe that it was an accidental click, and I believe that it is super inconvenient to have to recall/ddoor to help out someone that blind invited you. However, the conversation in this instance takes one person from being an accidental clicker to being rude, regardless of if your rudeness was in response to someone else being rude towards you (in football, coaches will tell you not to retaliate because the 2nd person who acts violently towards another player is the one that is always caught).

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Picture the words that the OP posted being submitted with a harassment griefing report. Do people reported get a chance to defend themselves? Is it likely that with the conversation provided that it would seem like the OP "accidentally" clicked accept?

Since I generally assume that no one is going to be ignorant enough to blind invite me while I'm questing, if I get an invite in quest I take it because I assume its a friend/guildy who needs something. Once the invite has been accepted, we are both stuck with it. The one thing this incident has done is to convince me to /report for harrassment any future blind invites, I'm very tired of putting up with this harrassment.

I'm just saying how I think this could be taken. In this instance it isn't griefing, but posting on the forums because it's funny and inspiring others to do the same while altering step 1 and doing it on purpose is what instigated my first post.

Why its funny is people think it is funny that the griefer paid a price as a direct result of their griefing of the OP. People like it when the bad guy is stung by their own actions.

[Calebro]

The one thing this incident has done is to convince me to /report for harrassment any future blind invites, I'm very tired of putting up with this harrassment.

Agreed, and I wish I would have thought to do that this morning.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

"I said again no I am waiting on guildies and soloing. He says well CYA. Wait for it...nothing happens. I say to him if you're trying to dismiss me you might notice the error message that reads can't dismiss while in a dungeon. I told you I was soloing."

That would be the griefing part. Causing them to have to break party over stubbornness.

Umm.. Not exactly. Here's the repost of the conversation you were talking about.. Deliberately joining a group to force them to disband, for the purpose of "educating" them in how to use the lfm panel is not exactly the same thing as accepting a blind invite, and then continuing to run the quest/explorer area/whatever you were doing in the first place.

From Sir_Chonas

Etiquette Questions

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1. In the general chat in the harbor people will say "doing _____ elite, msg me if you want to join."

If they are posting it in the general chat then it's fair game to join regardless of level correct?

2. If someone posts an LFM in the LFM panel with no specified cap on levels (1-20 or something) this is fair game to join as well correct?


I have been doing my part to educate lowbies about the usage of the LFM by joining these groups and entering quests with them on my level 15 then saying "If you press the O key and hit grouping, you can create a group. At the bottom of this group creation tab you can specify which levels you would like. If a player is 2 levels higher than the quest you get lessened EXP, and marginally less for each progressive level the person is above the quest. If the quest is level 1 on normal, it will be 2 on hard, and 3 on elite (after saying this I leave)."

Is this hurting the lowbie gaming experience for those people whose parties I join, or is this an effective educational tool since they have to reform to get EXP (my "ruining" of the quest gives emphasis to my message)?

Would like to know before I continue doing this.

From Tarrant

Joining a group with the intent to ruin a quest for someone by forcing them to receive lower XP or regroup would actually be considered disruption (a form of harassment) in-game and as such is a violation of the Code of Conduct. I'd recommend not taking part in this kind of behavior.

[The10man]

As I said it was initially an accidental accept made to survive the fight I was in. I did find some sick pleasure in "paying the griefer back". Sorry I'm human and was angry. I did not "prevent them from filling" as when they had 6 members I ddoored to leave instance even tho I wasn't quite done with my loop, but then the cleric DC'd and one member left so I continued.

If this is "reportable harrassment" I'd like to know. An invitation (though unwanted) is sent and accepted. If they choose not to run together they part ways. I would have parted ways with them when I could which was after my recall. I did not ask to, nor tell them I would run any quest with them. And when they finally communicated with me I was very upfront about the fact I was soloing and in an instance. Lets say I'm soloing the reaver (a goal of mine with this build) and I'm doing the puzzle and I get a blind invite and accept accidently do I have to recall/rerun so they can drop me?

Just in case unless I see an answer I will not institute my tactic but I will start reporting ALL blind inviters. (my squelch list is getting full)

I am sure in the telling of this I have been reported, so to the Dev who reads this post a suggestion. How about a box beside the anonymous box that only allows invites from guild members or friends list? Or, the invite being in the chat window like join requests are rather than a "you must act to make me go away" box. This would stop the entire problem. We wouldn't have to run anonymous if we didn't want too and the blind invites wouldn't threaten runs we were on.

[Hafeal]

While I don't have a problem with you staying in group until you complete your quest, I would note that it might be worth marking yourself as anonymous to avoid further blind invites outside of your guildmates and friends.