Thief Acrobat

[fervidsea]

Are there any Pure Halfling or Warforged Thief Acrobat Builds on the boards? I've searched but haven't found one.

I really prefer not to Multiclass and most of the builds I have seen push towards monk etc.

[Arkat]

I really prefer not to Multiclass...

Because the Rogue Capstone Enhancement is that good???

[fervidsea]

Not that I would now either way, I jsut prefer not to multiclass. Just not my cup of tea I quess.

[fervidsea]

I threw this together using whats posted on the compendium. I not convinced on going Q-Staff STR based. I really just like the idea of rogue, but not much into the ninja aspect of sneak etc.

Like I said just put this together of the compendium, can some you the experts take a look and give some honest advice. I want to be able to take care of the traps, but help benefit the group. Thanks

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Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 17
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    34
Bluff                 0                     4
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             4                    24
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                  0                     1
Hide                  2                     7
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  6                    35
Listen                0                     3
Move Silently         2                     7
Open Lock             6                    28
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    25
Spot                  4                    24
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                6                    34
Use Magic Device      4                    27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Balance II
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Defensive Roll
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Cheat Death

[Lleren]

I think the reason you do not find any pure rogue acrobat builds is that the assassin pre vorpal sneak attacks effect is so nice. If a tier three acrobat came out with innate trip or stun on natural 20 sneak attacks you would see more pure acrobat builds.

Currently the highest level rogue you need to be to master the thief acrobat pre is 12, though 13 is a good idea for the extra rogue bonus ability. Tier 2 assassin pre not being nearly so nice.

Edit: If you are trying to work up a staff using acrobat you may want to pick up the two handed weapon line of feats, and look at this build for ideas. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=158960

[fervidsea]

Roger, so going pure 20 acrobat really holds no current benifts towards that lvl, unless you are hoping for something better to come out down the line.

Well as a build to play around with, with the intentions of going to 20 pure, can anyone make any suggestions on feats etc? Just go with what the compendium states?

Im just looking for a build that I can have fun with, disable some traps, do some damage.

[Lleren]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=204337

Replace Two weapon fighting feats with two hander fighting feats
Reorder some feats
Replace exotic weapon prof kopesh and oversized two weapon fighting with other feats.
Replace imp crit slashing with Crushing.

* If nonhuman lose 1 skill and 1 feat.
** dex tomes not needed for feat prerequisites if built as a two handed weapon user

Edit: perhaps a better base build for you to modify as a staff user.

[fervidsea]

Thanks for the help... Something to play around with in my downtime.

[twoton]

I know your not into multiclassing but I am lvling a WF 13 rogue, 6 ftr, 1 monk build and I have to say so far he has been the easiest build to solo so far. Granted He is only lvl 9 well lvl 10 but holding off on taking lvl 10. Still to much mid lvl quest xp to get :P .

Right now I believe the best way to take the lvls is 1st lvl rogue 2nd lvl monk then all the rest of the way to 12 rogue then your 6 ftr lvls for more dps then your lvl 20 as your rogue 13. I would say play with the character builder and see if you like it. I know I do

[doomjuicebat]

Right now I believe the best way to take the lvls is 1st lvl rogue 2nd lvl monk then all the rest of the way to 12 rogue then your 6 ftr lvls for more dps then your lvl 20 as your rogue 13. I would say play with the character builder and see if you like it. I know I do

If you leveled that way you wouldn't be able to max out your rogue skills like DD/search/umd, etc. Better to mix the fighter levels in so you can keep up on those skills. I would suggest throwing in 1 fighter level for every 2 rogue levels or something like that to keep everything maxed. Unless you don't want to be that kind of rogue that is...

I myself have a 13 Rogue, 6 Fighter, 1 barb and she is incredibly fun to play.

[Ganak]

Congrats on your decision to join the ranks of the acrobat.


I've got quite a bit of experience with my third generation halfling Acrobat who is currently True Reincarnated to level 19 (17 rogue/2 ranger).


Going pure 20 rogue is a good way to go. Remember there will be additional capstones released down the road, so you're in a good position going pure.



My original 32 point build (17 rogue/2 ranger/1 fighter) from 18 months ago: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=152398

I true reincarnated because I wanted 18 levels of rogue to take advantage of the acrobat 3 enhancement once it is released.

Why two levels of ranger? There are synergies and things I like (free TWF which allows me to get all my desired feats), but when it comes down to it, I typically create non-traditional concept builds when it comes down to it and then min/max within the concept. Not too many ranger splashed acrobats walking around.


Currently my TR has the following:

Feats:
Toughness
Weapon Finesse
SF: UMD
ITWF
GTWF
IC:P

Starting stats/current stats (36 pt build):
Str 12 /20 (+2 tome + 6 item)
Dex 20 /40 (+2 tome + 5 level up + 4 feat + 6 item +3 exceptional from tod acrobat ring).
Con 16 /24 (+2 tome +6 item)
Int 8 /10 (+2 tome)
Wis 8 /10 (+2 tome)
Chr 8 /10 (+2 tome)

Skills (maxed):
UMD
Jump
DD
OL
Search
Spot
Tumble



Overall, things I prefer from my experience:
1. Need hp - Don't be the 200 hp (or less) gimp rogue. I must have toughness and a good con never hurts). Shroud hp item necessary.

2. Int, Wis, Chr as dump stats. I get all the skills I desire above with a 8 int. With the right items equiped I use heal scrolls at a 95%. Low will saves makes getting helpful equipment important.

3. Don't worry about the balance skill as an acrobat - immunity to knockdown w tier 2

4. I pump my dex. With the 9 uncanny dodges I get, plus the +4 dex clickie I get my ac easily self buffed into the low 60's (while TWF) for significant stretches.

[twoton]

If you leveled that way you wouldn't be able to max out your rogue skills like DD/search/umd, etc. Better to mix the fighter levels in so you can keep up on those skills. I would suggest throwing in 1 fighter level for every 2 rogue levels or something like that to keep everything maxed. Unless you don't want to be that kind of rogue that is...

I myself have a 13 Rogue, 6 Fighter, 1 barb and she is incredibly fun to play.

actually I have enough int to keep search, dd, and open lock will get maxed out at lvl 20 which wont fall to far behind. Umd on my toons being a wf with no points spared for cha will not have a very useful umd anyways to really bother keeping it maxed. Umd should still be high enough buffed to use rr items though.

Well for the one lvl you could put alot of different classes there such as barb, monk, cleric, wizard. They all add something pretty nice to the build. Barb with the rage, monk for the ac, cleric for the healing and wand usage, and wizard for the shield spell and other useful lvl one buffing spells and arcane wand usage. Just depends on what you want out of your build I guess

[twoton]

also remember if you WF acrobat you will have to ask yourself what am I not immune too :P I think with tier 2 acrobat and being WF you will end up being immune to like 10 different things in game almost like being a red name yourself LOL.