Rogue 13 / Fighter 7 - Ideas?

[cfelicio]

Hi There,

Here is the build I'm currently playing. It is current on level 7, been fun so far, but want to check if it will be viable later in the game. Will I be able to join / be accepted in raids and survive well enough? Will I be able to do end game content?


I always play duo with my wife (she is a pure cleric), what usually happens is:

- Cleric goes first
- I go later and sneak / kill everyone

On tough mobs (the red title guys), I use displacement and she keeps attacking and healing me. She also takes care of stuff like paralysis, blindness, sickness, etc

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(7 Fighter \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 20
Will: 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             14                 14                   16
Dexterity            18                 25                   30
Constitution         12                 14                   14
Intelligence         14                 14                   14
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               8                 19                   19
Bluff                -1                 -1                    3
Concentration         1                  2                    2
Diplomacy            -1                 -1                   -1
Disable Device        6                 25                   25
Haggle                3                 18                   18
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  4                 11                   19
Intimidate           -1                 -1                   -1
Jump                  6                  9                    9
Listen                3                 14                   16
Move Silently         4                 11                   17
Open Lock             8                 32                   32
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  2                    2
Search                6                 24                   26
Spot                  3                 21                   23
Swim                  6                 10                   10
Tumble                n/a               14                   14
Use Magic Device      3                 22                   22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longbow
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Listen (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

Ideas / comments / suggestions are really appreciated!

Cheers!

[Visty]

dont go 7 fighterlvls, the 7th level gives you nothing usefull
would be better to go ranger for the last level, then you get +3dmg against evil outsiders (as you take them as fav enemy) and sprintboost which is also nice to have
a monk level would even be better to get some ac but your wisdom sucks so that doesnt really go well
a barb level would be ok too for a 1:30 rage (or howlong that lasts)

[Anneliese]

Add a monk level and take power attack, 7th fighter level adds nothing special

No need for a caster level as you have high UMD.

Pal 1 has nothing that good beside healing wands (and you got UMD...)...cant take Barbarian due to alignment, and ranger 1 is only nice for using bows..and bows suck without all the other feats.

[kelabb]

I'm intrigued by all the skill points going into haggle, which I read on here as being pretty useless. I would have thought a better choice for a rogue would be diplomacy... get those mobs looking for other targets.

Also, are you really planning on taking all your enhancements when you reach lvl 20 or was that just a way of keeping it all together?

Cheers

[poonce]

I'm no expert...
Also, are you really planning on taking all your enhancements when you reach lvl 20 or was that just a way of keeping it all together?

Cheers

Lol . .

[honkuimushi]

A Rogue 13/ Ranger 6/ Fighter 1 would have been much stronger. The Ranger levels allow you to have higher skill points and with Tempest you would get a 10% bonus to attack speed. You would also get some wand use from your first Ranger level.

The 7th Fighter level gives you nothing. Rogue 14 doesn't give you much, but at least you get more skill points. I'm also puzzled to see that you took 6 levels of Fighter, but didn't take Kensai, the only reason to take Fighter past level 4 on a build like this. Don't forget the Rogue PreE either. I also don't see Improved Critical: Piercing. That's a big feat with a rapier. Haggle is a good skill, but a Rogue can seldom use it as well as a Bard. And with 7 levels of Fighter, it wll probably be tough just keeping DD, OL, Search, Spot and UMD maxed.

One last piece of advice, don't take a Fighter level as your last level. In fact, I probably wouldn't take a Fighter level past 18. 20th level is your last chance to spend skill points and even if you have all important skills maxed at 19, you won't have enough skill points to max them with the 4 points you get as a Fighter with 14 Int, especially since they'll cost double. So with a 14 Int, you can pick 2 skill to max.

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

I would strongly suggest you reconsider taking the seven levels of fighter as others suggested. That last level of fighter gets you nothing additional, I would choose either ranger for the favored enemy bonuses (early levels undead, then can change to giants then later evil outsiders for end game). Other classes as suggested to consider would be monk (for feat, as you dont have enough wisdom to get enough bonus to your ac), or barbarian for the rage and sprint bonuses (might be too late if you have already picked a non-compatible alignment).

Also, for your enhancements, why choose assassin? I dont see much to it (assassin II), unless you go all the way with rogue levels to take the third tier of it. Might be better off with your style of duoplay with your wife to get thief acrobat.

Also echoing another posters comments, you really need improved critical piercing, might want to drop iron will or the lesser dragonmark for that.