can u really get banned for using an exploit

[whoamilol]

there are so many exploits and they are all so tempting. why can't we just use them till they're fixed?
i don't think you should have to be responsible for bad code. it's not like taking some extra plat matters in life.

[oberon131313]

there are so many exploits and they are all so tempting. why can't we just use them till they're fixed?
i don't think you should have to be responsible for bad code. it's not like taking some extra plat matters in life.

yes you can get banned for using an exploit. It's not like taking away your ability to play the game matters in life.

[Memnir]

Yes.
But don't that those fancy rules stop ya... go ahead. Show the man he's not the boss of you now.

[whoamilol]

yes you can get banned for using an exploit. It's not like taking away your ability to play the game matters in life.

if you can't play then you wouldn't want to use an exploit to begin with. i'm saying that it should be the fault of the devs and not the players for trying to get ahead.

[oberon131313]

if you can't play then you wouldn't want to use an exploit to begin with.

it's almost like watching something become self-aware.

[whoamilol]

it's almost like watching something become self-aware.

i've found that there are a lot of weird people who play this game who take it upon themselves to be mean to others for no reason. why is that?

[RTN]

Magic 8 Ball says, "I see a ban in your future."

[Blackbird]

if you can't play then you wouldn't want to use an exploit to begin with. i'm saying that it should be the fault of the devs and not the players for trying to get ahead.

That's like saying you should be prosecuted for stealing when you get caught carrying your neighbor's TV out the front door of his house just because he accidentally left the front door unlocked.

[whoamilol]

That's like saying you should be prosecuted for stealing when you get caught carrying your neighbor's TV out the front door of his house just because he accidentally left the front door unlocked.

you're not taking anything that actually exists. it's a video game.
i used to cheat all of the time on my nes cartridges. most games had cheats built into them.
this game is actually no exception. there are intentional oversights that allow us to profit.
why do you think it's like stealing?

[heyytoi]

your funny.

[Memnir]

Let's look at a clip from an educational film staring a shockingly young Mr. Johnny Depp called, "Red Exploit!!!" In this clip, Mr. Depp shows our young exploiter, Charlie, the hazards of bending to the ripe, lush, nubile temptations of exploits...






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[Blackbird]

you're not taking anything that actually exists. it's a video game.
i used to cheat all of the time on my nes cartridges. most games had cheats built into them.
this game is actually no exception. there are intentional oversights that allow us to profit.
why do you think it's like stealing?

They wouldn't be exploits if they were intentional oversights, now would they?

I equated it to stealing because you basically said - they accidentally did something or didn't do something. I know it's not intended (hence why it's an exploit) but I think I should be able to do what was not intended until they can muster the manpower to fix it. "Video game cheats" - i.e. codes that you can enter (up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start for all the old timers) ARE intentional. Exploits by definition are UNINTENTIONAL. If they are planning to fix them, they are obviously not intentional because if they were intentional they would not need to fix them. Exploits exist by accident (leaving the door unlocked) and using exploits is against the rules of the game (as is stealing in real life). You should not be permitted to violate the rules (i.e. stealing your neighbor's TV) when you know you are doing wrong, or reasonably should know you are doing wrong, until they can remedy it. It's not the way society works and the game is well within its rights to prohibit it. It is, after all, their game.

A big difference between exploits in a MMORPG and intentional cheat codes in a console video game is a matter of scale. Intentional cheats in a console game affect you only. Exploits in a MMORPG affect many players. With an ever-changing game with many players, unintended things will arise. In a single shot console game it is far less likely.

[captain1z]

you're not taking anything that actually exists. it's a video game.
i used to cheat all of the time on my nes cartridges. most games had cheats built into them.
this game is actually no exception. there are intentional oversights that allow us to profit.
why do you think it's like stealing?

You point is valid, in single player games very often cheats are put in to increase the longivity of the game. Really, you can only play mario bros so many times b4 you just wanna skip a few worlds, only play your favorites and then go to the last world.


The problem comes when you make a game multi-player. Now it becomes a question of ethics, if I play 10 hrs and you play 10 hrs we should both end up in the same place, unless you are much better than me or vice-versa.

The difference is multi-player:

- cards
- monopoly
- chess/ checkers
- sports in general
- call of duty

Anything you play with or against other real people discourages cheating because its not a fair test of ability if you can ignore the rules which I have to follow.

Its unethical and some would cheat and then say to others "hey look how much better than you I am" when in truth you used a cheat to do what I cannot.

Why would anyone play a game honestly, when someone else can hit a button and have everything?
For single player this is not an issue.

I doubt the "oversights" in this game are intentional, but I cannot prove it. It equates to stealing only in the sense that it is just as wrong as lying or stealing.

[Blackbird]

you're not taking anything that actually exists. it's a video game.
i used to cheat all of the time on my nes cartridges. most games had cheats built into them.
this game is actually no exception. there are intentional oversights that allow us to profit.
why do you think it's like stealing?

Don't like my criminal law hypo? Try this one:

You are playing at the featured table at the World Series of Poker. You look around and realize that the reflection from the little glass plate they use to show the cameras your cards for TV purposes allows you to glimpse the opponent next to you's cards when he looks at them initially. There is a rule in the WSOP that says "no cheating". You are caught looking at the neighbor's cards or it becomes obvious you can see them (since your actions give it away or the results do). Good luck telling them you have the right to do that when they ban you from the WSOP and take your winnings/chips away. They have the right to set the terms by which people will play their game. So does Turbine.

[Uska]

you're not taking anything that actually exists. it's a video game.
i used to cheat all of the time on my nes cartridges. most games had cheats built into them.
this game is actually no exception. there are intentional oversights that allow us to profit.
why do you think it's like stealing?

I never understood people who cheated at video games why play if you cant loose I thought the whole point was to play for the challenge of it and to finally beat the thing, I cant see what kind of feeling you get from beating something with no risk. No the exploits arent in there for us to find and use they are something that either they didnt think of or doesnt work like they thought.

[Zippo]

That's like saying you should be prosecuted for stealing when you get caught carrying your neighbor's TV out the front door of his house just because he accidentally left the front door unlocked.

Kinda reminds me of Denzel's character in Philadelphia.

Joe Miller (Denzel): Explain this to me like I'm a six year old, okay? The entire street is clear except for one small area under construction, with a huge hole that is clearly marked and blocked off, and you decide you must cross the street at this spot and this spot only. You fall into the hole and you want to sue the city for negligence? ...

Client: Yeah. Do I have a case?

Joe Miller: Of course you have a case!

[captain1z]

if you can't play then you wouldn't want to use an exploit to begin with. i'm saying that it should be the fault of the devs and not the players for trying to get ahead.

Think of DDO as the devs homes.

Think of exploits as the devs wallets.


If they leave a wallet out on the table and dont come back for it for a long time but have given you permission to walk around the house, is it ok to go through thier wallet and take a few bucks?


Who is to blame?



What sort of action should be taken to correct the situation?

[captain1z]

Its like paying your taxes or playing baseball......................


There are many ways to bend the rules and come out on top, but if you do it and you get caught, you pay the penalty. Most people both play baseball and pay taxes by the rules and do just fine, the slight advantage you get from bending the rules is not worth the cloud hanging over your head and you always anticipating rain. If you get my drift.

[Xalted_Vol]

I think a warning and a reason why your getting your time wasted is sufficient. There was a Supreme Court case where it was impossible for the defendents to even know they were breaking the law because it was so vauge look up Papachristou vs Jacksonville, 405 US 156 (1972) law school has its benifits Supreme threw out the case gave to much power to the police and the defendents had no way of knowing they were breaking the law. So if you do not know its an exploit play the game and dont worry.

[oberon131313]

I think a warning and a reason why your getting your time wasted is sufficient. There was a Supreme Court case where it was impossible for the defendents to even know they were breaking the law because it was so vauge look up Papachristou vs Jacksonville, 405 US 156 (1972) law school has its benifits Supreme threw out the case gave to much power to the police and the defendents had no way of knowing they were breaking the law. So if you do not know its an exploit play the game and dont worry.

not even close to the same, since the game isn't public, you have to have an account, and you agree to the TOS every time you log in, which state that exploiters may have action taken against them.

in response to "mean people," it's similar to the reason that you want to be able to exploit...

Memnir...you keep making me rep you >.<