I think I am going to cry...

[nerdychaz]

DDO is in jeapordy because Hasbro is greedy. If Hasbro shuts down DDO, I will be so upset that I will only play GURPS from now on.

Read it here.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177372

:-(

[lord_of_rage]

Turbine is has a law suit against atari aswell. If anything this could be a good thing for ddo.

[nerdychaz]

I hope it all turns out well, but I can't help but feel even more disgusted with Hasbro. As if 4th edition wasn't bad enough.

[Emil_Jaeo]

This is very poor reporting as it doesn't mention Turbine's own lawsuit against Atari or explain why Hasbro's actions would put DDO in jeopardy. In fact, wresting the license away from Atari could be very good for DDO if it winds up in the hands of a company more supportive of Turbine, or even Turbine itself.

And to say that DDO's move to F2P was an Atari/Turbine joint venture is highly inacurrate. The lawsuit makes clear that it was Turbine's baby all the way and Atari's role ranged from unengaged to obstructionist.

1UP should do their homework before writing a piece like this.

[nerdychaz]

1up actually reports better than the AP article I read earlier. But you are right, they are painting a really small part of a larger picture. I can't help but feel worried though. I hope it all goes through okay for DDO and Turbine especially. Really, I think everyone wants their piece of the pie (or ham). I am a new player VIP and never have been so excited about a game before. I just don't want this get ruined by greed.

[GreyRogue]

Hasbro v. Atari is not about Hasbro's greed; it is about Atari sublicensing distribution rights for Hasbro IP to a Hasbro competitor, which is apparently expressly against the license agreement between Hasbro and Atari. Hasbro v. Atari, like Turbine v. Atari, is about Atari's crappy behavior. At least, that's the way I see it.

[Waukeen]

Hasbro v. Atari is not about Hasbro's greed; it is about Atari sublicensing distribution rights for Hasbro IP to a Hasbro competitor, which is apparently expressly against the license agreement between Hasbro and Atari. Hasbro v. Atari, like Turbine v. Atari, is about Atari's crappy behavior. At least, that's the way I see it.

QFT.

also it is kind of suspicious how alike Dragon Age is to DDO's uniquely amazing combat system and setup. Also DDO was NOT properly advertised by Atari since its came out... Which was their end of the bargain.

Hasbro may be seen as greedy, look at 4th ed when 3.5 was better as an example, but they are a company in a capitalist system with shareholders, what do you expect? egalitarianism?

Overall, as a company the goal is to make money. If you have a partnership with a different company that does not hold to the clear aspects of a Contract. Sue 'em, it is the reason we have civil law in this country.

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

the last time turbine bought back a franchise it closed... I hope they don't end up with it.

[captain1z]

I love how thier statement says they have created great commercial success D&D licenses when some of the best D&D games of our time have been made by Capcom and Bioware.

Dungeons & Dragons: Shadows over Mystara was one of the best adventure beat em ups in the genre next to Golden Axe. No real surprise because they used that same game engine for a few games that were also great. The Aliens vs Predator side scroller and Streets of rage the grandfather of em all.


The Baldurs Gate series was the best game ever imo and that was Bioware/Black Ilse

Atari can take credit for Neverwinter Nights but then they also did that piece of trash Demonstone. The truth about Demostone is it sold for 2 reasons:

- Patrick Stewart voice over pulled a lot of Star Trek/D&D geeks to check it out

&

- Play as Drizzt. Sure you had to play through 70% of the game to play Drizzt for 20-30 mins but most fans geeked out just seeing him in the cut scenes anyway.


Problem is Atari sees a trend and tries to get in when what we need is someone to say "Hey there are loyal fans out there, lets make something great for them". Do that, make a great product and put it out there for the fans and vbery likely you will get more new fans in the process. You share what you love and you never stop loving it. Look at Pac-man and Tetris.......... never gets old. But if you sit back and wait for fads to spring up, you gotta know that all fads will die........ come back again later??? maybe but it will die and when it does thats Ataris signal to grab what cash you can and run.

[cdemeritt]

Ok, well before you start crying, There is the possiblity of good things coming from this... There is also the possiblity of bad things as well....

A lot of this has/is being discussed in another thread http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=220214 and has a lot of good view points to consider before getting too worked up over what this might mean

[rnor6084]

Why is it when a company operating in a capitalist system wants to make money they are always deemed as greedy??

[captain1z]

Why is it when a company operating in a capitalist system wants to make money they are always deemed as greedy??

For the same reason sharks, spiders and snakes are evil.

[Xenus_Paradox]

For the same reason sharks, spiders and snakes are evil.

It's in their nature, and to do otherwise would mean their deaths?

[Lilliana]

nwn

[taospark]

Why is it when a company operating in a capitalist system wants to make money they are always deemed as greedy??

Part of it is also the difference in how gamers view developers compared with publishers. Starcraft fans love Blizzard for maintaining their favorite strategy classic but hate Vivendi for suing unofficial fan-made projects into oblivion. Freespace 2 fans loved Volition for creating such a rich engine but hated Interplay for selling $60 "Anniversary Editions" shortly before going out of business. Then of course, there's that famous tug of war between Bungie and Microsoft.

I think developers get a lot more leeway from fans for trying to change their games than publishers will for trying to monetize it, and that is in some ways, a fair standard for gamers to have.

[Robi3.0]

DDO is in jeapordy because Hasbro is greedy. If Hasbro shuts down DDO, I will be so upset that I will only play GURPS from now on.

Read it here.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177372

:-(

No, sir Atari is getting sued because they are run by Top end graduates of the D-bag School of Business Ethics.

If you read the complaint the law suit really has very little to do with DDO or its future and everything to do with Atari's inability to follow contractual agreements, and then lie about it.

Really this could only help Turbine law suit. Much like Nazi Germany Atari well have trouble fighting battles on two fronts.

[dredre9987]

The world is going to end too

[PopeJual]

Much like Nazi Germany Atari well have trouble fighting battles on two fronts.

I agree. It's very difficult - probably impossible to win a war while fighting on two fronts. That's why the US lost in WW2 - because they had to fight in the Pacific against the Japanese while fighting against the Italians and Germans in Europe/Africa/Middle East.

[Robi3.0]

I agree. It's very difficult - probably impossible to win a war while fighting on two fronts. That's why the US lost in WW2 - because they had to fight in the Pacific against the Japanese while fighting against the Italians and Germans in Europe/Africa/Middle East.

Dude, I think you need to check you facts. The US won WW2. They dropped two huge bombs on Japan. You know A-bombs, maybe you have heard of them apparently they are a big deal or something.

If the US had lost a lot more people in Wisconsin would be Speaking Japanese for more then just fun.

[Arkat]

I agree. It's very difficult - probably impossible to win a war while fighting on two fronts. That's why the US lost in WW2 - because they had to fight in the Pacific against the Japanese while fighting against the Italians and Germans in Europe/Africa/Middle East.

Evidently I missed my sarcasm check.

When I can PopeJual, I will give you +1 Rep to make up for the neg rep I handed you. Sorry.