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    Default My fighter/paladin/rogue reincarnation

    So this is for when I finally reincarnate: just looking for some suggestions or for people to point out some fatal flaws. I think I worked out most of the kinks. It's designed to be a 3-part build: Intimitank, DPS, and Utility. The fighter and stalwart enhancements make it primarily an intimitank build, and intimidate is more or less maxed. The twf feats allow me to significantly increase my dps for when I don't need to tank. The Rogue gives me the umd I need more or less to cast most spells I'll need from scrolls and to use wands of stuff.

    Some notes with the builder... To accommodate for the 34/36 point builds that will eventually come into play, I put the two points into charisma as a +2 tome at first level. Actually at 34 points I'll probably put the points into dex to avoid using +2 tomes. I also had to 'eat' a +3 dex tome at some point because the builder didn't like me having the dex from the enhancement to count towards the twf feat. At any rate, I should not need anything more than a +2 tome (which I have from favor) in the end build. Any other tomes I get are just gravy. So here's the meat (in its current state, which has some flaws):

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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.10
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    Kevlin Pegason
    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 314
    Spell Points: 10 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 20
    Reflex: 19
    Will: 12
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    24
    Dexterity            14                    18
    Constitution         12                    12
    Intelligence         14                    14
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma             14                    20
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 12
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 17
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               4                    11
    Bluff                 3                     5
    Concentration         1                     1
    Diplomacy             3                     5
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle                3                     5
    Heal                 -1                    -1
    Hide                  2                     4
    Intimidate            7                    36
    Jump                  7                    22
    Listen               -1                    -1
    Move Silently         2                     4
    Open Lock             n/a                  16
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                2                     2
    Search                2                     2
    Spot                 -1                    -1
    Swim                  3                     7
    Tumble                4                    13
    Use Magic Device      5                    28
    
    Level 1 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 3 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 4 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 5 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 7 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
    Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery III
    Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
    Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I
    Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
    Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
    Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
    The primary issues I'm having are as follows:
    1) UMD might not be high enough: 23 ranks + 8 cha bonus + 6 (shroud item)=37 umd. Ideally I'd like to bump this up to be able to cast heal scrolls, and even though it's 90% at this point (40 umd check for level 6 spells I think) I'd like to bump this up.
    2) I have not yet decided on the usefulness of the following feats: mobility+spring attack, and shield mastery +imp shield mastery. I am fairly certain I will not be needing mobility and spring attack, since I can try going for greater and superior weapon focus from fighter levels (incidentally, does greater weapon focus stack with weapon focus or does it override it?) I am also thinking about getting skill focuses in either umd which may solve problem 1 or intimidate if it's needed. Also, inspection of my other feat choices is welcome.
    Last edited by RoboVanguard; 12-24-2009 at 09:45 PM. Reason: title change

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    Add the head of good fortune to your umd calc and that puts you at 39 which is enough for no fail heal scrolls. Also +3 for deleras necklace, or +5 for titan gloves.
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    So here's the most current version:

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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.10
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    Kevlin Pegason
    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 314
    Spell Points: 10 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 20
    Reflex: 19
    Will: 12
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    24
    Dexterity            14                    18
    Constitution         12                    12
    Intelligence         14                    14
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma             14                    20
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 12
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 17
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               4                    11
    Bluff                 3                     5
    Concentration         1                     1
    Diplomacy             3                     5
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle                3                     5
    Heal                 -1                    -1
    Hide                  2                     4
    Intimidate            7                    36
    Jump                  7                    22
    Listen               -1                    -1
    Move Silently         2                     4
    Open Lock             n/a                  16
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                2                     2
    Search                2                     2
    Spot                 -1                    -1
    Swim                  3                     7
    Tumble                4                    13
    Use Magic Device      5                    31
    
    Level 1 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 3 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 4 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 5 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
    
    
    Level 7 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
    Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery III
    Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
    Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I
    Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
    Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
    Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
    Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
    The reason I didn't throw in HoGF, cartouche, or titan gloves in the calculation was because I'm not planning on using those items all the time. So I could use the heal scrolls but not very effectively in mid-fight without switching gear. I'm also on the fence regarding shield master and improved shield mastery. Is the 6 DR worth the two feat slots? What other feat choices would be better? My current choices are: (shield mastery+improved shield mastery), (mobility+spring attack), (luck of heroes+iron will), (stunning blow + improved trip).

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    you will find it difficult casting in combat regardless of gear switching due to concentration checks, besides equiping the hogf to hit a heal scroll is very minor.

    you are going to want somedps feats as well as ce if you are going to be tanking.
    Last edited by Quikster; 12-18-2009 at 07:47 PM.
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    my advice is lower the charisma, increase con
    If you want to know why...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aranticus View Post
    my advice is lower the charisma, increase con
    I was thinking about that but didn't really know where to put the other two points into. Charisma is pretty useful to me though I don't think the difference between +7 and +8 bonus would be too bad. I'll still be able to get around 450-500 hp with a 12 con though. I also have several +2 con tomes which might help.

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