Reaver's Fate: the new Abbot?

[Lorz]

Reavers Fate....is Cake....probably the easiest quickest Raid in the game. (hound is technically quicker except it takes a little bit to get there and if your taking new/unskilled players it can get ugly getting there).

One of the things that will help groups is for the caster/clerics to BUFF all elemental buffs on EVERY party member. I still do this and it greatly reduces the deaths, unless its a guild run, then they dont need it....also with experienced folks. But when you have unknown quantities, spend the mana...its FREE in there

I also tend to over heal in there...just spamming area healing non-stop (usually on main tank)

Everybody ... and I mean EVERYBODY gets a charge and keeps a charge.

This should make it a lot easier for the newer players.

Oh and I dont like the solver...i can solve in usually as few or fewer steps and on occasion the solver will fail you....I will not.

[smatt]

Brings back memories of being 150K in XP debt

[sirgog]

This, combined with the fact that raid now only has one truly compelling piece of loot, and its for characters who are absolutely worthless in it (madstone boots).

Tenderiser is now sought after by every good level 20 melee that doesn't already have it. It's the best Weighted 5% weapon you can reasonably hope to attain for running Epic content.

[Vivalavida]

oh,for reaver, I prefer 4-5men friends/guild-only run these days...



was in Von1-4 quick run last night

XXXXX:""Is that P2P""
Vivalavida:"Ya, i think so"
XXXXX:"You should have told me!!!! You are horrible.. !"
XXXXX has left your party.

Vivalavida: ........

[Lorz]

oh,for reaver, I prefer 4-5men friends/guild-only run these days...



was in Von1-4 quick run last night

XXXXX:""Is that P2P""
Vivalavida:"Ya, i think so"
XXXXX:"You should have told me!!!! You are horrible.. !"
XXXXX has left your party.

Vivalavida: ........

But but but...you are horrible!!!! (but not for the P2P thing)....J/K

[smatt]

But but but...you are horrible!!!! (but not for the P2P thing)....J/K

You 've mixed him up with me.....

[Hakushi]

i'll join ya next time.

Welcome back Ninety.

[Uska]

It's not just the Reaver either .

I had completely forgotten there was a wall in the shroud part 3 until pug groups recently!



PS. the shroud has been out for long enough where everyone should know how to do their own m*********ing puzzle or how to use a puzzle solver; and run your own ******* water instead of making someone else have to run 2+.

uMM I still cant do the puzzles and dont have a solver but at least I do run water.

[Vallin]

i'll join ya next time.

Holy &#$%% it's Ninety!

Welcome back! Hope to see you around sometime!

Vallin/Gerkar

[Inkblack]

i was in a run with scooter boy the other day where he backed off and i purposely let one gnoll live. 7 people beating on him and his hit points went up. i was trying to think of the last time i'd looked at how many heal scrolls i had on hand when i went into a shroud run.

Gnolls? I didn't think there were gnolls in part 4 anymore.

[Inkblack]

oh,for reaver, I prefer 4-5men friends/guild-only run these days...



was in Von1-4 quick run last night

XXXXX:""Is that P2P""
Vivalavida:"Ya, i think so"
XXXXX:"You should have told me!!!! You are horrible.. !"
XXXXX has left your party.

Vivalavida: ........

For those that don't know, if you select the quest when you put up an LFM, then a big "BUY NOW" shows up over the classes requested box if premium / F2P don't have the adventure pack. I think that's what XXXXX may have meant.

Ink

[Phidius]

...I think that's what XXXXX may have meant.

Ink

I'm pretty sure it means the movie is naughty...

[Hendrik]

It really makes me wonder how some folks stumble their way to lvl 14 or 16 and now lvl 20 at times...

They are everywhere, affecting our belief in where the lowest common denomenator of player ability is.

I do admire their detication, for it must be a trait of youth. If I starting playing something and absolutely sucked at it, I would well, quit.

I remember being terrible at hockey from age 8 to 15. Yet 6 months a year I would "play" the sport. Then one season it all clicked.

My only hope is that it will all click for new players.

The learning curve of DDO is a gentle rise. Do your forum homework before you build a 6 Con rogue (I met one yesterday), listen to your elders (we might know what we are talking about), and above all else Stay Calm when things go slightly awry (instead of running around like headless poultry).

I have no idea why I take time out of my night to write this because sadder than your Reaver runs, no one who needs to understand these things will read it. They are all too busy trying to sell a +1 club in the market.

if this makes sense to you, hit me up with some rep because I can't buy a bucket

Dare imagine what will happen to DDO if they start to cater to them, the lowest common denominator?

We could end up with Quest Sharing, arrows pointing you where to go all the time, or game mechanics where even the absolute worse player/character can feel superior while soloing a Dungeon...

[Rog]

step 1. ask after the raid is full if we have any new players to this raid then ask the party to help them out.
step 2. explain whats needs to happen each part of the raid to the new players.
step 3. never give the new player a wipe roll i.e if he fails so does the raid. unless said player is a cleric,caster then make sure he has the proper amount of mana pots or heal scrolls for said raid and hope he know how to heal or run like hell for a caster in tod.
I pug raids a lot and these 3 steps will improve your chances by a 90% and dont be afraid to rerun the raid. seems like almost of of the T.O.D. raids i have a new wizzy which is a wipe spot but the second time though we get the job done.
mojo a raid pug master

[smatt]

Dare imagine what will happen to DDO if they start to cater to them, the lowest common denominator?

We could end up with Quest Sharing, arrows pointing you where to go all the time, or game mechanics where even the absolute worse player/character can feel superior while soloing a Dungeon...

Dare imagine what would happen to DDO if they didn't???? I'll make it easy and answer for you. It would've already been shut down I'm sure that when you were a noob, nobody helped you.... You stepped in with full knowledge of all things DDO

[Dark-Star]

i'll join ya next time.

Hey! Your back?

[Emili]

Dare imagine what would happen to DDO if they didn't???? I'll make it easy and answer for you. It would've already been shut down I'm sure that when you were a newb, nobody helped you.... You stepped in with full knowledge of all things DDO

Corrected slightly... and as the OP and many a thread of similar nature appearing proves we are running into something we should not... You read his cynicism while I read his disappointment.

Axer once said "Never assume your party knows anything." ... which holds truth, so we ask. - The thing is in the past we used to be able to account for it, people spoke up - "I'm new, I do not know this quest, What do I do? What do I need?" <- I would have to say over half of all new players do not anymore.

I find myself - who in the past would run with anyone in any half-arse party make-up with ten people in group who never been there pre-mod nine am having a difficult time in making a decision to press join on a pug where are names I do not recognize now. Brought me to beg and plea as such A thought for the new player. Outside a bit of soloing I've always looked at DDO as a team play game... we're in it together. As such please be part of the team... quite simple.

View it as over-critical if you wish... but criticism with the intent for the betterment be how we improve so be it.

[jasonchrist]

I've noticed a trend in this too; we're all higher levels, but the new surge of players means we're going to simply have to compensate. Nothing wrong with raids being somewhat challenging again.

[Saaluta]

Dare imagine what would happen to DDO if they didn't???? I'll make it easy and answer for you. It would've already been shut down I'm sure that when you were a noob, nobody helped you.... You stepped in with full knowledge of all things DDO

Lol, no...we just spent hours figuring these things out. For instance, when titan raid first came out, a group of us went in there and tried to figure it out. I was alone in there for 4 hours figuring out how to solve the green puzzle, without DD spell/scrolls. And this was before dragonmarks

Finally had to give up, as you need at least 2 people to do it, but I mapped out the whole green puzzle and a few of us figured it out

And once we figured out how to beat the actual titan part, the devs changed it to be harder But, we got the last laugh and figured out how to beat him too

Saal

P.S. Oh for the good old days when people actually spent time figuring things out instead of searching for the easy button

[Aranticus]

step 1. ask after the raid is full if we have any new players to this raid then ask the party to help them out.

step 1 fails because new players/1st timers to raids refuse to admit they are new

step 2. explain whats needs to happen each part of the raid to the new players.

see step 1

step 3. never give the new player a wipe roll i.e if he fails so does the raid. unless said player is a cleric,caster then make sure he has the proper amount of mana pots or heal scrolls for said raid and hope he know how to heal or run like hell for a caster in tod.

see step 1. in addition, if you can join a tod, the assumption is you already know the game. anyone that does not live up to expectations (with exception of the kiter in part 2 which really does need practice), you can be considered a noob.

I pug raids a lot and these 3 steps will improve your chances by a 90% and dont be afraid to rerun the raid. seems like almost of of the T.O.D. raids i have a new wizzy which is a wipe spot but the second time though we get the job done.
mojo a raid pug master

most players with resources can get the job done. the only difference is how many pots, scrolls, and other expendables