Alternative Past Life grind

[BlackSteel]

I think most of us like the concept of the past lives, altho there is alot of disagreement on whether they're worth the trouble or whether or not its acceptable for the abilities to be stacking, or how many we can take.

But we build up our characters into roles, otherwise why would we even bother having multiple characters. And its not enjoyable to take a character that for the longest time has been in one role/class and thrust him into another grind as a different one just so he can be better at the first.

my barbarian does not want to be a monk, however briefly
nor does my cleric care to do a stint as a wizard, its not what I envisioned those characters to be. (and shame on those be with class focused names : IHealYou an ex-cleric is now a T'resed Rogue, thats confusing)

My suggestion is allow us to grind out past lives in another fashion in addition to what you have in place now.

100 epic tokens a worthwhile purchase price for a past life? make it only accessible to True res'ed characters as well. (so you must be a 34 or 35 point build in addition to using 100 epic tokens)

wife aggro so cutting it short, but thats the gist of it

[Uska]

It's not really a past life if you dont do that class is it?

[Cyr]

I like this idea a lot. Give all the abilities of TR'ing from a specific class for the tokens (except the 34-36 point build).

For Uska a sample dialog box:

Some Random Druid:

"I sense that you have lived many lives before as varied as the fish in the sea. Although you do not now recall all of them I can help you do so for a price.

If you wish I can help you remember the experiences of a life you have lived before for the paltry sum of 100 EPIC dungeon tokens or 40 EPIC raid tokens."

Fork over 100 EPIC dungeon tokens.
Fork over 40 Epic raid tokens.

NEXT BOX:

"What life do you wish to recall?"

The adventures of the daring thief "Insert random name". (This will grant you all the abilities of having TR'ed from a rogue)
The studious life of the wizard "Insert random name". (This will grant you all the abilities of having TR'ed from a wizard)
....

And for all those random names just have it pick from the current who list at random

[BlackSteel]

It's not really a past life if you dont do that class is it?

not really seeing that as problematic, consider it roleplaying

the grind is likely measurable to releveling, but you get to do it with the class and character you enjoy

[Wudwaen]

Real reincarnation would involve changing races, and potentially classes. Real reincarnation would include being able to become goblinoids, orcs, ogres, changelings, faeries, shifters, kalashtar, reptilians, half-giants, etc., etc., etc. Further, it would be role play - you would not be able to choose which race you became - it would be randomly generated - as it is in the original spell.

And I do not look forward to the grind for level again once I reach the ability to reincarnate. IMO if they are going to cost you umpteen extra hours of grind for becoming something halfway decent then they should remove the xp penalty for repetition on Reincarnated characters.

[xTethx]

Real reincarnation would involve changing races, and potentially classes. Real reincarnation would include being able to become goblinoids, orcs, ogres, changelings, faeries, shifters, kalashtar, reptilians, half-giants, etc., etc., etc. Further, it would be role play - you would not be able to choose which race you became - it would be randomly generated - as it is in the original spell.

And I do not look forward to the grind for level again once I reach the ability to reincarnate. IMO if they are going to cost you umpteen extra hours of grind for becoming something halfway decent then they should remove the xp penalty for repetition on Reincarnated characters.

If they reomved the xp penalty then u would see me in shadow crypt from lvls 5 to 14. Then tbf 14-16. Then new invasion to cap. Now that i think of it, Ill agree with this and get capped even faster than i did before.

[Wudwaen]

If they reomved the xp penalty then u would see me in shadow crypt from lvls 5 to 14. Then tbf 14-16. Then new invasion to cap. Now that i think of it, Ill agree with this and get capped even faster than i did before.

This was only to apply to reincarnated characters where they have the extreme grind requirement for points. I did not anywhere indicate it for those who are not reincarnated.

[xTethx]

This was only to apply to reincarnated characters where they have the extreme grind requirement for points. I did not anywhere indicate it for those who are not reincarnated.

Yea i know. My toon was reincarnated and capped in 4 1/2 days w/o this method. If they institute this then ill cap in 3 days on the same 2nd TR'ed toon. In case you dont realize, this game has plenty of xp. Sure it is a grind but in no way should they institute it for reincarnated characters.

[Harncw]

I doubt they gonna give me epic tokens for grinding a toon to 20.
So why should I get a toon to 20 for grinding epic tokens?

The way I see it friend is:
I'm not getting epic'ified because I'm TR'ing... Why should you get TR'edified because you are epicing?

In other words if they did this it should go both ways.

[Cyr]

I doubt they gonna give me epic tokens for grinding a toon to 20.
So why should I get a toon to 20 for grinding epic tokens?

The way I see it friend is:
I'm not getting epic'ified because I'm TR'ing... Why should you get TR'edified because you are epicing?

In other words if they did this it should go both ways.

Except one takes grinding and one takes grinding and actually running difficult content. You can TR to 20 by running all under level stuff (after first level of course ) if you are that big of a noob. You never have to set foot in a dungeon that could be a challenge. That is why the two do not equate.

[krud]

I like this idea a lot. Give all the abilities of TR'ing from a specific class for the tokens (except the 34-36 point build).

For Uska a sample dialog box:

Some Random Druid:

"I sense that you have lived many lives before as varied as the fish in the sea. Although you do not now recall all of them I can help you do so for a price.

If you wish I can help you remember the experiences of a life you have lived before for the paltry sum of 100 EPIC dungeon tokens or 40 EPIC raid tokens."

Fork over 100 EPIC dungeon tokens.
Fork over 40 Epic raid tokens.

NEXT BOX:

"What life do you wish to recall?"

The adventures of the daring thief "Insert random name". (This will grant you all the abilities of having TR'ed from a rogue)
The studious life of the wizard "Insert random name". (This will grant you all the abilities of having TR'ed from a wizard)
....

And for all those random names just have it pick from the current who list at random

More like 'Total Recall'. "We can give you any past life you want for the right price"

[Uska]

not really seeing that as problematic, consider it roleplaying

the grind is likely measurable to releveling, but you get to do it with the class and character you enjoy

I hate it if you havent actually played the class you shouldnt be able to chose it.

[BlackSteel]

I hate it if you havent actually played the class you shouldnt be able to chose it.

b/c living and experiences quests and events during the same time period as your past lives makes soooooooo much sense.

so your barbarian remembers being a monk and killing velah the red dragon in a past life. How odd, your barbarian killed the red dragon last week, and her name was velah, and she was stuck in house K vault too. What an odd coincidence.

playing the classes to unlock actually make less sense than purchasing some drugs to go on a dreamy soul searching quest for past lifes.

[jonnymongoose]

I know I'm new and all but I think TR should just be removed entirely. They should just institute a cheep respec for people that made some wrong choices or for people that just want to go a different direction for their character. You stay level 20 or whatever level you are at the time and you get to change everything but one Class. IMHO TR is just a way for Turbine to pass off not having much to do for the hardcore types at end game. I could be wrong but if there was a lot to do people wouldn't have the time to start all over again.

[Uska]

b/c living and experiences quests and events during the same time period as your past lives makes soooooooo much sense.

so your barbarian remembers being a monk and killing velah the red dragon in a past life. How odd, your barbarian killed the red dragon last week, and her name was velah, and she was stuck in house K vault too. What an odd coincidence.

playing the classes to unlock actually make less sense than purchasing some drugs to go on a dreamy soul searching quest for past lifes.

Your opinon my own is that you should have played the class to access it funny how turbine agrees isnt it

[Cyr]

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Your opinon my own is that you should have played the class to access it funny how turbine agrees isnt it

Yeah, I know I brag about having people at Turbine agree with me. They never have any bad ideas or could ever use suggestions. You know like a suggestion forum...

[Harncw]

Except one takes grinding and one takes grinding and actually running difficult content. You can TR to 20 by running all under level stuff (after first level of course ) if you are that big of a noob. You never have to set foot in a dungeon that could be a challenge. That is why the two do not equate.

Personally I find slogging through low levels quests with pugs very challenging.

However you are right the 2 don't equate...
so why come up with a weird argument saying that they do?

[Cyr]

Personally I find slogging through low levels quests with pugs very challenging.

Me too on my patience. However, it is not challenging in an actual we might wipe way considering you should be able to solo the dang low level quests with a TR.

[Favis]

I doubt they gonna give me epic tokens for grinding a toon to 20.
So why should I get a toon to 20 for grinding epic tokens?

The way I see it friend is:
I'm not getting epic'ified because I'm TR'ing... Why should you get TR'edified because you are epicing?

In other words if they did this it should go both ways.

agree

[RobbinB]

I think it would be at least be nice if all the favour you had previously acquired wasn't wiped clean. It should count for something.

At the very least, characters who acquired 1000 favour prior to reincarnation should be able to start from level 4. This level jump could be increased to 5 for 1750 and 6 for 2500.

Elite setting should be available right out of the gate for all quests (if they haven't done this already).

Not sure I like the idea of complete bypass of tr'ing via epic questing, but maybe they could have an item that allows you to "remember" your past life more quickly, thus removing some or all of your xp penalty occurred. This item might be obtained via multiple pathways (in store, via epic token exchange, extremely rare random loot drop in high level quests, etc....).