Two weapon fighting?

[Alishandra]

Why am I getting this if all I use are my fists? I am attacking with both hands, or it seems like it anyway. I won't be useing two kama's, just my hands. I do a punch, punch kick. So why does every thread say to use two weapon fighting, with just your fists?

[oberon131313]

because you'll get extra attacks with your fists at improved and greater (I believe it's those 2)

[Alishandra]

Ah thank you. I believe my feats at creation were toughness dodge and deflect arrows. I am still level one so a reroll is no biggie.

[Uska]

Ah thank you. I believe my feats at creation were toughness dodge and deflect arrows. I am still level one so a reroll is no biggie.

dodge isnt bad but deflect arrows doesnt really work that well

[TreknaQudane]

Why am I getting this if all I use are my fists? I am attacking with both hands, or it seems like it anyway. I won't be useing two kama's, just my hands. I do a punch, punch kick. So why does every thread say to use two weapon fighting, with just your fists?

I recommend you check this out..

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...nk#post2418836

[Rasczak]

Ah thank you. I believe my feats at creation were toughness dodge and deflect arrows. I am still level one so a reroll is no biggie.

Deflect arrows o.O No PA or Toughness (ok toughness isn't good to take a low levels )

[oberon131313]

deflect arrows is something you aren't going to want, because monsters in game don't actually "shoot" they "throw," even arrows, which is why they arc. Deflect arrows doesn't work against thrown weapons, so it's only use is against rangers in PvP.

[Mobeius]

deflect arrows is something you aren't going to want, because monsters in game don't actually "shoot" they "throw," even arrows, which is why they arc. Deflect arrows doesn't work against thrown weapons, so it's only use is against rangers in PvP.

Not exactly true, I tested the feat out before and I tested in Chains of Flame, it DOES work, just the mechanics of it suck in DDO as opposed to PnP DnD. Having so few feats, its a waste (as of of mod 9.x) of a feat for monks.

[Letrii]

Just like PA isn't supposed to affect unarmed strikes or any light weapons either.

[Angelus_dead]

just Like Pa Isn't Supposed To Affect Unarmed Strikes Or Any Light Weapons Either.

Wrong.

EDIT: To be more informative, this post should be in all caps.

[chester99]

deflect arrows is something you aren't going to want, because monsters in game don't actually "shoot" they "throw," even arrows, which is why they arc. Deflect arrows doesn't work against thrown weapons, so it's only use is against rangers in PvP.

Is this official? Has there been a dev post about this?

[sephiroth1084]

Just like PA isn't supposed to affect unarmed strikes or any light weapons either.

Wrong.

EDIT: To be more informative, this post should be in all caps.

Half RIGHT.
PA isn't supposed to affect light weapons.
Unarmed Attacks function in weird ways in how they interact with the rules that govern weapons and combat generally.


Anyway, as stated, the TWF feats add a lot of extra attacks to your combat routine. Additionally, unarmed attacks in DDO do not take the usual -2 penalty when dual-wielding, and add their full Str bonus to their off-hand attacks.

[Letrii]

Where is exception that PA affects US? I am of course referring to D&D, not DDO.

[sephiroth1084]

Where is exception that PA affects US? I am of course referring to D&D, not DDO.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#powerAttack

Check the description in the SRD 3.5. It says, "except with unarmed strikes."

[Letrii]

Never noticed that before.

[sephiroth1084]

Never noticed that before.

Easy to overlook a lot of stuff in 3.5 due to the poor organization, multiple errors and misprints... Also, different editions of the book had different errata. Finally, if you were using the 3.0 guide vs. the 3.5, there are other differences.

[Rasczak]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#powerAttack

Check the description in the SRD 3.5. It says, "except with unarmed strikes."

I've never checked before since I normally only go TWF, PA is supposed to be doubled on damage with 2-handers...is that the case? There is a lot of discrepencies between pnp and online.

[sephiroth1084]

I've never checked before since I normally only go TWF, PA is supposed to be doubled on damage with 2-handers...is that the case? There is a lot of discrepencies between pnp and online.

Yup, we receive 2x damage with PA when using THF in DDO.

[andrul]

I forget where, but I did read that DDO handwraps are considered dual weapons and so TWF feats were recommended. If this isn't true I'm not worried since the consensus here seems to be it's good for other reasons
Also, is there a legend of abbreviations to help new guys like me understand the references? Ddowiki has one but it's been flaking out for days now.

kthnxbye!

[t0r012]

I forget where, but I did read that DDO handwraps are considered dual weapons and so TWF feats were recommended. If this isn't true I'm not worried since the consensus here seems to be it's good for other reasons
Also, is there a legend of abbreviations to help new guys like me understand the references? Ddowiki has one but it's been flaking out for days now.

kthnxbye!

twf = two weaon fighting
pa= power attack
PnP = pen and paper , i.e. "real" D&D.

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as a side note you mentioned never using kamas. trust me you will. keep a decent set around for zombies and other blunt damage reduction monsters.