Make Sunder more useful!

[Jay203]

as it stands right now, Sunder is pretty much useless, not only do you have to be able to connect the sunder attempt but they also get a fort. save against measly -4 to AC for like 30 seconds or so

why not hype it up a bit and make it so that a sundered monster will lose 50% fortification while sundered?
while we're at it, make it so the shatter weapons have a chance like Weighted weapons to auto sunder the enemy

as for Improved Sunder, make it so that it gives -100% fortification for the duration

Please? D=

[Angelus_dead]

Here is my old suggestion to make Sunder useful:

Make it a dual-function feat with two separate action icons, Sunder Armor and Sunder Weapon. All Sunder effects share the same cooldown, so one player must decide which debuff he prefers for the enemy.

Sunder Armor: -4 AC and -2 DR (to a minimum of zero).
Sunder Weapon: -1 attack and -2 damage (to a minimum of 1)
Improved Sunder Armor: -4 AC and -2 DR (to a minimum of zero).
Improved Sunder Weapon: -2 attack and -4 damage (to a minimum of 1)

This would make Sunder work more like it does in D&D, and the most popular use for a Shatter item would be to help the main tank survive in a raid.

[Jay203]

Here is my old suggestion to make Sunder useful:

Make it a dual-function feat with two separate action icons, Sunder Armor and Sunder Weapon. All Sunder effects share the same cooldown, so one player must decide which debuff he prefers for the enemy.

Sunder Armor: -4 AC and -2 DR (to a minimum of zero).
Sunder Weapon: -1 attack and -2 damage (to a minimum of 1)
Improved Sunder Armor: -4 AC and -2 DR (to a minimum of zero).
Improved Sunder Weapon: -2 attack and -4 damage (to a minimum of 1)

This would make Sunder work more like it does in D&D, and the most popular use for a Shatter item would be to help the main tank survive in a raid.

-1/2 attack and -2/4 damage against the ultra-inflated mob stats would do little to nothing =\
-4 AC is fine, but -2 DR isn't useful enough, if it's -4 ac and - X% fortification, that'll be more useful

[bobbryan2]

And while they're at it.. make shatter worthwhile.

[Jay203]

And while they're at it.. make shatter worthwhile.

hehe, yah
i was thinking make it somewhat like hamstring weapons where it has a chance to proc as long as it hits

[Anneliese]

Also, remove the fort save.

If you hit with a sunder attack, it should apply.

(While this does not match DnD rules, its a lot closer than the fort save..)

[Letrii]

Do you really want mobs doing this back to us?