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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobeius View Post
    Wrong... Humans make great monks, and assuming your join date is correct, your knowledge of the game needs to grow more. You saying that is like saying Halflings are mediocre theives.

    Humans and Halflings are the best monks, more experienced players Warforged are great monks... Other races are suboptimal for monks but not lacking but it ultimately comes down to the player skills and their gameplay.
    Halflings make the best monks

    WF and Dwarf are a decent 2nd place choice.

    A human, drow or elf monk is an effort to reach the high point of mediocrity.

    My join date is not correct, I am not some froob you can pretend that you know more than.

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    Default elf

    elf gets:

    str 16 (10 pt)
    dex 16 (6 pt)
    con 12 (6 pt)
    int 8
    wis 16 (10 pt)
    cha 8

    good dragonmark for the 12 min displacement buff.

    But i rather go with

    str 12 (+6 item) = 18 without tomes
    dex 17 (+5 level, +2 halfling, +6 item) = 30 without tomes, 32 in wind stance
    con 16 (+6 item) = 22 without tomes, 20 in wind stance
    int 8
    wis 15 (+3 monk, +6 item) = 24 without tomes
    cha 8

    wind build halfling

    at level 3 i have +15 to hit!!! (3bab when centered +2 pathfinder +1 google of insight +6 dex +2handwrap +1 size) i don't miss with most attacks and better saves for halfling if going pure. one problem is low str really hurt if you get hit by ray of enfeeblement, currently level 5

    str 12
    dex 22 (17 + 1level +1 halfling enhancement +1 pathfinder set +2 wind stance)
    con 16 (16 +2 item -2 wind stance)
    int 8
    wis 18 (15 +1 monk enhancement +2 item )
    cha 8

    this is a defensive and offensive build(as in don't miss much), but lack in str and small size means you can only carry so much and any str draining spells will render this build useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cripey View Post
    Halflings make the best monks

    WF and Dwarf are a decent 2nd place choice.

    A human, drow or elf monk is an effort to reach the high point of mediocrity.

    My join date is not correct, I am not some froob you can pretend that you know more than.
    I have yet to see ANY halfling monk EVER tank Suul or Arty or any Demon boss sucessfully, I have seen Humans and WF monks do it though. I wonder why? (Rhetorical Question BTW).

    So while you wanna profess your expertise, I will let you sit in Ignorance.



    Disclaimer: I never said Halflings make bad monks, I agree they make great monks, but your assement outside of Halflings of races for monks is sorely misguided. They have their drawbacks just like the other races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taimaishu4 View Post
    elf gets:

    str 16 (10 pt)
    dex 16 (6 pt)
    con 12 (6 pt)
    int 8
    wis 16 (10 pt)
    cha 8

    good dragonmark for the 12 min displacement buff.

    But i rather go with

    str 12 (+6 item) = 18 without tomes
    dex 17 (+5 level, +2 halfling, +6 item) = 30 without tomes, 32 in wind stance
    con 16 (+6 item) = 22 without tomes, 20 in wind stance
    int 8
    wis 15 (+3 monk, +6 item) = 24 without tomes
    cha 8

    wind build halfling

    at level 3 i have +15 to hit!!! (3bab when centered +2 pathfinder +1 google of insight +6 dex +2handwrap +1 size) i don't miss with most attacks and better saves for halfling if going pure. one problem is low str really hurt if you get hit by ray of enfeeblement, currently level 5

    str 12
    dex 22 (17 + 1level +1 halfling enhancement +1 pathfinder set +2 wind stance)
    con 16 (16 +2 item -2 wind stance)
    int 8
    wis 18 (15 +1 monk enhancement +2 item )
    cha 8

    this is a defensive and offensive build(as in don't miss much), but lack in str and small size means you can only carry so much and any str draining spells will render this build useless.
    My elf stats were for my original monk build; I tossed those out for an example of a good, non-WF, non-dwarf STR build. I'm actually playing this right now:

    STR 14
    DEX 18
    CON 12
    INT 8
    WIS 16
    CHA 8

    and dropping level points into DEX instead of STR. The AC and to-hit is a little higher and still holds decent DPS, although prior to mod 9, I don't think it was as good.

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    humans are best for monks with dps and no ac ... halflings would help for an ac monk and barely any dps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobeius View Post
    I have yet to see ANY halfling monk EVER tank Suul or Arty or any Demon boss sucessfully, I have seen Humans and WF monks do it though. I wonder why? (Rhetorical Question BTW).

    So while you wanna profess your expertise, I will let you sit in Ignorance.



    Disclaimer: I never said Halflings make bad monks, I agree they make great monks, but your assement outside of Halflings of races for monks is sorely misguided. They have their drawbacks just like the other races.
    Stop grouping with newb monks and you'll see halflings tank ~

    Humans are sub par there is no GOOD reason to go human over halfling , dwarf or wf.

    Anyone that states different is either pulling your leg, or just doesn't know any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull_49 View Post
    humans are best for monks medium dps and no ac ... halflings would help for an ac monk and the highest dps on most mob types with WF being the most DPS for the rest
    Fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cripey View Post
    Humans are sub par there is no GOOD reason to go human over halfling , dwarf or wf.
    Extra feat? The ability to add +1 to two different stats to help even out stats if/when you get +3 tomes or +1 exceptional bonuses? Damage, Armor, etc boosts from human versatility? The fact that humans don't run like monkeys? Okay that last one isn't a real reason if you are concerned with a min/max build but there are reasons to go human. Yes halflings can be great monks. Yes dwarves and WF can be great monks. Humans can be too. Any race that is played well can be a great monk. I've seen good monks of every race, I've seen bad monks of every race. In the end it's much more about the player than the race. The different races do have their benefits, but in the end the benefits are pretty minor compared to how the player plays.

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    Personally, I prefer human monks over halflings. It’s way easier to get grandmaster in all 4 stances (Ki strikes.) on a human than on a halfling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cripey View Post
    Stop grouping with newb monks and you'll see halflings tank ~

    Humans are sub par there is no GOOD reason to go human over halfling , dwarf or wf.

    Anyone that states different is either pulling your leg, or just doesn't know any better.
    Humans have plenty, so do Halflings, but against constructs and undead their big sneak damage doesnt do anything, and there is half the game, thats not including the demon bosses immune to sneak damage, etc. I didnt say Halflings couldnt tank either, I said I havent seen a halfling monk tank suul or arty successfully.

    Humans have extra feat, +1 skill point per level, Human versatility, human adaptability and greater adaptability to +1 To ANY TWO stats, and the biggest one for monk, Human Recovery 3. Considering monks are MAD, not having a deduction from any stat is a boon for monks as well.

    So that shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge of the game and saying for me to stop grouping with "noobs" is laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cripey View Post
    clearly I am wasting my time.
    Yes, telling us multiple times that humans are bad monks when it is obviously not true is a waste of your time. People have listed multiple reasons that someone might want to be a human monk. Just because you wouldn't personally be one for those reasons doesn't make the reasons bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cripey View Post
    clearly I am wasting my time, I need to follow kitties advice.

    Hey Cripey, before you start calling people like Mobeius "stupid," perhaps you ought to get to know them better.

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=214991

    I'd like to see you display as much knowledge about the Monk as he.

    You may or may not be right in your argument but you CANNOT call Mobeius "stupid."



    Oh, and to the OP: Halflings make ok Monks and so do Humans. In my personal and VERY experienced opinion, Warforged make the BEST Monks.

    I'd like to go into all the reasons why but quite frankly, it's late and I'm lazy so it ain't gonna happen.

    If you want some other opinions on how a good WF Monk actually plays in-game, either come to Khyber and ask anyone who's ever run with my WF Monk Arkat or ask around the Khyber forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull_49 View Post
    humans are best for monks with dps and no ac ... halflings would help for an ac monk and barely any dps
    I would like to know what Halfling Monks you're running with; because I've proven repeatedly that my Water/Crane Monk can DPS with the best of them.

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    humans being able to add to Wis with AP is a HUGE bonus imo. Adding 2 to your AC and QP & finisher mods is really nice. Plus you can even move it around every couple of days if you are so inclined. decide you want some more AC and to hit with your finesse build for a couple days add AP swap for dex. Need to get some aggression out? Eh lets lean more DPS and drop em in Str. Farming an area for some rare gear for a couple night and need some HP go con and grab turtle while your at it.
    But I still say the Wis is the big one the others are very nice but it is the wis.
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    Sometimes RPGs do echo the real world.

    I think lyeman definately missed charisma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkat View Post
    Oh, and to the OP: Halflings make ok Monks and so do Humans. In my personal and VERY experienced opinion, Warforged make the BEST Monks.

    I'd like to go into all the reasons why but quite frankly, it's late and I'm lazy so it ain't gonna happen.
    Thanks Ark, but I wouldnt say WF are the best, definately amazing and great, especially if you are experienced with the game. Ark, you are just one of those players that could make a fairy monk and still kick butt.

    I still dont think you can ever classify ONE race the best race for monks, too many variables to consider.

    With that said, I am liking the WF aspect on monk thus far, but my playtime has been limited so I only have him up to level 7 right now. I will more than likely add more about WF monks as I play more and more.

    Speaking of the guide, I am still looking at it and how to streamline, expand and improve on it.

    As far as him calling me stupid, I didnt even respond to that aspect of his insult. I am sure most of the monk community supports most of my conclusions and logic (not all). more than likely they are just a troll with no self esteem and feel better trying to pull others down to their level. Probably a very immature kid still stuck in school that gets bullied a lot and uses the net to take out their aggression and anger however misdirected and misguided it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobeius View Post
    As far as him calling me stupid, I didnt even respond to that aspect of his insult. I am sure most of the monk community supports most of my conclusions and logic (not all). more than likely they are just a troll with no self esteem and feel better trying to pull others down to their level. Probably a very immature kid still stuck in school that gets bullied a lot and uses the net to take out their aggression and anger however misdirected and misguided it is.
    Yep, just a troll. Notice how he didn't specify *why* a halfling is better, he just kept saying it is. I'm sure his main deciding factor that halflings are better is the SA damage, and the +1 size bonus, but he never once mentioned that.

    It all comes down to playstyle, and personal preference IMO. Any class can be a great monk with experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedwin View Post
    Yep, just a troll. Notice how he didn't specify *why* a halfling is better, he just kept saying it is. I'm sure his main deciding factor that halflings are better is the SA damage, and the +1 size bonus, but he never once mentioned that.

    It all comes down to playstyle, and personal preference IMO. Any class can be a great monk with experience.
    Oh I am sure he is counting the Halflings SA damage being "da uberest" without realizing what the drawback on SA damage is. Probably another player that sees "big" numbers on his combat screen and looks at that and says "OMG IM UBER!" That and hes probably a Halfling fan and thats it, some people have undeserved hatreds of other races because they seemed to be favored over other races and they feel lackng in their character and have to attack others.

    If he gets video of him tanking Arty or Suul with 3 clerics or less and HOLDS agro for the raid, then he can talk junk. Not saying Halflings cant do it, but a majority of Halfling Monks take Guile which is AP intensive, which takes away from other areas of their monk AP's. Which they dont realize that SA doesnt work when you have agro and tanking a mob. Most Halfling monks also sacrifice strength in favor of covering their lack of DPS through Halfling Guile as well.

    The more I play monk, the more I come to realize that any race can succeed as a good monk. But what do I know, I only been playing a few days, and have no clue about monks at all. What game are we playing again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impatiens View Post
    ...a min/max build but there are reasons to go human. Yes halflings can be great monks. Yes dwarves and WF can be great monks. Humans can be too. Any race that is played well can be a great monk. I've seen good monks of every race, I've seen bad monks of every race. In the end it's much more about the player than the race. The different races do have their benefits, but in the end the benefits are pretty minor compared to how the player plays.
    YEA... I couldn't agree more or have said it better. What is the best race for a Monk? the one that you enjoy playing the most, as long as you can play it effectively.

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    a good monk is more dependent on the player than the build or the race.

    Humans I still like because of the +1 to two stats, and the healing amp synergy with monk healing amp, it allows me to get +2 and +4 on my curse of healing which makes me a lot more survivable.

    And to the poster who said that humans can't get good AC - how about you post something to back that up? Halflings get... +1 to AC from their size bonus and +1 from their DEX bonus - but humans can potentially get +2 to ac by putting their human versatility into DEX and WIS to even out stats... I'm not sure where the 'humans can't get AC' came from...?

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