Enter the Kobold

[LookingForABentoBox]

I recently did this quest with a full group of very high level characters, and the boss fight took over 30 minutes to complete with all the respawning and rezzing. Even with full fire res, protection, and a wizard casting ooze puppet, anyone without evasion died relatively quickly and the living spells kept on breaking through the charms. We finally finished it, but does anyone else find the last fight a bit too difficult for a non-raid level 17 quest?

[Oreg]

Have your wizard cone of cold all the oozes and mephits rather than ooze puppet. Since the changes its best to send an evasion person with dps to kill the named up top first. Have your wiz either mass charm the mephits to kill the

[Impatiens]

Have your wizard cone of cold all the oozes and mephits rather than ooze puppet. Since the changes its best to send an evasion person with dps to kill the named up top first. Have your wiz either mass charm the mephits to kill the

Why no Ooze Puppet? It's been a month or so since I last did the quest but ooze puppet completely trivialized it then. Has something changed since then?

[Jay203]

the only living spell you need to puppet up is the living meteor swarm
not only does it chip in a bit of damage against the rest of the stuff, but it takes aggro quite well too
make sure you curse it before you puppe the poor thing tho, or it breaks out relatively quick

[LookingForABentoBox]

Why no Ooze Puppet? It's been a month or so since I last did the quest but ooze puppet completely trivialized it then. Has something changed since then?

Because the oozes have such high saves that you're not likely to land a charm on any time other than it rolling a 1 on its save

[Epitome]

I tend to think that the entire quest minus the end compared to the end is like night and day and is, by no means, in balance with the rest of the quest. This end fight definately allows for the evasion clerics to shine.

Usually the best strat for this is to have a kiter with evasion and many hitpoints (because the meteor living spells will still pop you with ~150 HP worth of bludgeon damage from their meteor swarm which cannot be evaded) to run in behind the group and kite all the mobs at the base while the rest of the party works on the the kobold at the top. This quest can be aggravating, especially when the kobold sploitz the terrain by perching himself up in mid-air.

[Angelus_dead]

We finally finished it, but does anyone else find the last fight a bit too difficult for a non-raid level 17 quest?

Yes, there is clearly a problem with the difficulty balance of the end fights of Reaver's Refuge quests.
1. In all of them, the boss fight is so much harder as to make most of the rest nearly irrelevant. (Unless you had trouble with puzzles)
2. The level 17 Reaver's Refuge quests are tougher than the level 18 Inspired Quarter quests, and some of the level 19 Shavarath quests.

If something was changed to make the boss fights easier, there should probably be a concurrent change to increase the challenge of the rest.

[Mylon]

This quest demonstrates the broken nature of empowered + maximized spells versus defenses like resist energy which get no such boosts or benefits or higher level versions.

[Waukeen]

how dare Turbine leave any quests with a challenging end fight in them. grrr. figure out what isnt working, then adapt.

[redoubt]

how dare Turbine leave any quests with a challenging end fight in them. grrr. figure out what isnt working, then adapt.

AD is right on this one.

You've also been around long enough to remember when the meteor swarm could be evaded AND when you would enfeeble the spells and have them stay that way.

That version of the quest presented multiple options at completion and I would say was better balanced with the rest of the quest. With the nerf to stat damage and the huge buff to meteor swarm, this quest is now out of wack.

Also begs the side question of: "whats the point of evasion if you can get pounded by chain casting living spells' meteor swarms?" I'd like to see meteor swarm nerfed back down to all evade-able (both for mobs and players.) It used to be that you could mitigate the fire part with buffs and only suffer half (the bludgeon part) even without evasion. Now there is little difference between evasion and no evasion. I'd also be happy going back to not auto-regenning stat damage (both mobs and players).

[Krell]

AD is right on this one.

You've also been around long enough to remember when the meteor swarm could be evaded AND when you would enfeeble the spells and have them stay that way.

That version of the quest presented multiple options at completion and I would say was better balanced with the rest of the quest. With the nerf to stat damage and the huge buff to meteor swarm, this quest is now out of wack.

Also begs the side question of: "whats the point of evasion if you can get pounded by chain casting living spells' meteor swarms?" I'd like to see meteor swarm nerfed back down to all evade-able (both for mobs and players.) It used to be that you could mitigate the fire part with buffs and only suffer half (the bludgeon part) even without evasion. Now there is little difference between evasion and no evasion. I'd also be happy going back to not auto-regenning stat damage (both mobs and players).

I think in general living meteor spells are unbalanced. I was hit by one today for 275 just running to VOD. Can't evade, can't protect, they chain cast. This quest was biased toward evasion characters before this change, same with SoS. I can live with that. At least a good healer could keep you up most the time. But after the change people avoid the quest due to bad experiences. The best chance is to use questionable tactics such as pulling long distances and getting mobs stuck. Also, why does Ooze Puppet work anyways? This level 2 spells says "Telekinetically controls the actions of an enemy ooze, forcing it to change sides.". Also the boss climbing to the ceiling further raises the frustration level. This quest shouldn't be harder than Prey or Monestary at the end.

Suggestions?
Make it so the living spells don't respond or only respond every 3-4 minutes, or change cometfall or remove the living spell version from the game. Imagine a Horrid Wilting living spell. Put in some inviso walls to keep the boss off the roof. Reduce fire elemental health. I think this would put it in line with the other refuge quests.

In short, the quest is do-able but not in line with the adventure area in my opinion. I've been in a few groups where people talk about what quests to run. Everyone is up for prey and monestary but when kobold comes up, people start talking about why they don't want to run it.

[Angelus_dead]

how dare Turbine leave any quests with a challenging end fight in them. grrr. figure out what isnt working, then adapt.

It is a good thing to have some challenging fights.

But if they are harder than other higher-level quests, then that's a problem. One could question whether this quest should be easier, or the others need to get tougher.

But for Enter The Kobold to be so much tougher than Dream Conspiracy and Sins of Attrition is just wrong.

[firegood]

It's really not that bad, and probably the most fun fight in the entire game. Not sure how much scaling changed it, but my first time in there me my brother and best friend 3 manned it in about 4-5 minutes. I'll probably go back on hard and elite to try that out. Leave it as in imo, definitely a shock based on the rest of the quest though, but I enjoyed it.

[natakeu]

It is a good thing to have some challenging fights.

But for Enter The Kobold to be so much tougher than Dream Conspiracy and Sins of Attrition is just wrong.

Much of which I agree with you on. The very reason I made/make L2 weapons is because of such bosses having non-bypassable DR. I figured the bolt of lightning would help make up for it. Typically with my rogue I stay glued to the boss kobold and forget everything/everyone else.

[eulogy098]

Reaver Refuge end fighters are fine, its the rest of the quests that are way, way too easy.


Please significantly increase the difficulty of the quests. I had no trouble farming RR quests in under 10 to 15 min each with nothing but level 16s. They are too easy and I am not the worlds best player.



No more dumbing down of quests.



Noone should ever request any Normal, Hard or Elite quest in DDO be made easier. Run casual if you cant handle it. That difficulty was made just for you, stop duming down my game for the weenies >_<

[BLITHELY]

Perfect example of a quest tht is hard with the wrong tactics and a breeze with the right 1s. If u go in with unk thud mentality of zerging barbs yep its is going 2 b rough. Using yr cleric and caster wisely makes this 1 a breeze. The quest is not broken like many other quests in this game they become easier with experience and knowledge.

[Lorz]

Time to step up to the challenge rather than ask for it to be easier.

It will make you a more skilled player.

As the saying goes...if you want to play better, play with better players.
As stated the quest is not broken (unless that did that monday) so learn to adapt...but dont come in asking for it to be made easier....this is why DDO is so good....it is not for the lowest common denominator, but instead challenges the players to improve to succeed.

/disclaimer i have not logged on in 2 weeks....so if something changed in last 2 weeks well then im all wrong....if not then your saying....you cant take the heat....and that is no reason to make it easier.

[Kaervas]

Time to step up to the challenge rather than ask for it to be easier.

It will make you a more skilled player.

As the saying goes...if you want to play better, play with better players.
As stated the quest is not broken (unless that did that monday) so learn to adapt...but dont come in asking for it to be made easier....this is why DDO is so good....it is not for the lowest common denominator, but instead challenges the players to improve to succeed.

/disclaimer i have not logged on in 2 weeks....so if something changed in last 2 weeks well then im all wrong....if not then your saying....you cant take the heat....and that is no reason to make it easier.

Saying that regarding Enter the Kobold is amusing, intentional or not

[Lorz]

Saying that regarding Enter the Kobold is amusing, intentional or not

Wow if you liked that one, wait until you see the next post

Please remember none of this is mean spirited (well not much)...but i do believe that i speak the truth about if it is easy....like giving somebody something for nothing....they do not value what they get.

[vVAnjilaVv]

I think they made it so that u can buy the essences with draconic runes now, which alleviates some of the frustration of getting ur DT armor. You can just simply skip this quest.