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    so my 2 wep kensai is now level 19 and I've been really enjoying playing him. I was thinking about making a trip pos khopesh coupled with a min 2. But i got to thinking before I expend the large ingredients to finish either one am i better going 2x trip pos, 1 of each, or 2 min IIs? I know that old argument used to be mineral II all the way because of the transmuting.

    Can anyone point me to where I can see the numbers or anything? I'm not trying to be argumentative here I just want to make sure I am going the best route I can before I commit to all those large ingredients. I know that the first number would always be higher with the metalline but does that make up for when something resists acid?

    I've also tried to search but I haven't been able to find anything beyond people just saying that min II is better and not saying why
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    Boss dr.

    15 on normal, goes up on higher settings. Taking a 30 point dr hit basically makes the triple pos a nearly useless weapon for boss beating.

    Unless say you have a good silver/good weapon your willing to use, and just use the triple pos on everything else.

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    yea i'd only be looking at normal boss DR, I should have probably mentioned that

    Is horoth's DR also 15 on normal?

    My question to you guys is when something resists acid, as the raids bosses do, does the triple pos's extra good damage make up for the DR or should i just go 1 of each or 2 min II and be done with it?
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    Say you took min 2 as holy/acid burst.

    So metaline, 2d6, +4d slicing....vs 3d6 (holy and good burst), and 4d6 on a crit - minus 15 dr.

    The base damage is almost exactly the same, and the small amount from crits (or no real difference if you took acid/good burst on the min 2), means you get about 3.5 damage ahead, but are 15 damage behind....

    So yeah if your willing to take that hit you can use it - but your doing about 12 less damage per hit.

    So a pos/pos/pos weapon and a +5 metaline pure good weapon for bosses will be pretty much the same, and cheaper in larges, with the extra base damage from a gs weapon, but neither is as good as a min 2 for bosses (and if someone drags you into a hard/elite run forget it, without metaline/min 2 might as well stand in the back and block).

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    yea i got a few metalline of PG weapons kicking around but I think I am going to go 2x min II, keep that tier 2 pos/pos i got just as a resurrection click.

    thanks for the input Riggs rep for you have a great night
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    Just a question, is this for the same Kensai as the one in your signature? Why wouldn't you make Dwarven Axes for him instead of khopeshes?
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    cuz i forgot to change my sig

    edit: there changed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandi View Post
    yea i'd only be looking at normal boss DR, I should have probably mentioned that

    Is horoth's DR also 15 on normal?

    My question to you guys is when something resists acid, as the raids bosses do, does the triple pos's extra good damage make up for the DR or should i just go 1 of each or 2 min II and be done with it?
    this is hard to answer, most people tanking horoth will have min2 or better weapons

    on normal a +++ is just passable. on hard 30 DR, on elite 60 DR. if you are still using +++ on those settings, you are just a liability to the party
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirea View Post
    Just a question, is this for the same Kensai as the one in your signature? Why wouldn't you make Dwarven Axes for him instead of khopeshes?
    the only logical reason a player will use dwarven axes is if the toon is a dwarf and wants to make use of the free feat and racial enhancements
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aranticus View Post
    the only logical reason a player will use dwarven axes is if the toon is a dwarf and wants to make use of the free feat and racial enhancements
    At the time I made my post the OP's sig said it was a dwarven kensai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirea View Post
    At the time I made my post the OP's sig said it was a dwarven kensai.
    that is where the mechanics go wrong, a khopesh is still stonger than a d-axe on a dwarf. the only way the d-axe wins is against fortified mobs or when the target has a high ac that even a kensai will have difficulty hitting ie epic
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