For you new players. . .

[Mithran]

Rolling on an item (raid loot) to pass to your guildie means that any future runs your guild members are in with me means everyone in the raid will be following your example.

[Aranticus]

pm pls

[Mithran]

PM sent

[Aussieee]

Meh this is a long time fashion. We roll for loot for friends or stays in the chest

[MissErres]

Happens all the time. I'm a firm believer in it's your loot, you can do with it what you wish. If you decide to pass it on to someone with the highest roll, it then becomes their loot to do with what they wish. But of course, it's still your decision whether or not to pass it over.

[Mithran]

Happens all the time. I'm a firm believer in it's your loot, you can do with it what you wish. If you decide to pass it on to someone with the highest roll, it then becomes their loot to do with what they wish. But of course, it's still your decision whether or not to pass it over.

Custom in my pugs is you roll if you intend to use it. Rolling for someone else is a pointed no-no and widely frowned upon. The reason for this is because the rolls are therefore limited and fair.

If there are six members of my guild in my pug and a couple from three other guilds, it's unfair for every member of my guild to roll on any item a member of my guild in the raid can use.

It certainly does not happen all the time (not on Khyber, at least).

There are a few guilds who make no secret that they run their raids in this manner. The Hand of the Black Tower is not one of them, and the best players from any guild know they can join our pugs and have a fair shot at any loot they are after.

[Aranticus]

pretty much khyber's pug raids have the common rule of "roll on for raid loot you use". it is pretty simple. when you give up the loot, it is meant for whoever rolled for it to use it. to pass the won raid loot to another is an act of selfishness and unfairness

in order to avoid this problem, i only pass the loot once there is only 2 of us left in the instance. if the other party refuses to recall out just so he/she can wait on raid loot being passed over, i'll pull it out of the chest and VENDOR it

[Strakeln]

I wish I was recording voice chat last night. Goggles dropped in VoD for my monk, so I left them up for people to see for about a minute then looted.

A rogue in the party came over voice chat and said, in the whiniest voice you've ever heard, "Awwww, why did Creakin get the goggles?"

My response:
"Because they're mine?"

(To be fair to the rogue, I think he thought a guildie of his pulled them and gave them to me instead of him. Still funny though, lol)

Back OT: rolling on my raid loot with the intention of handing it off to someone else is the surest way to be banned from ever rolling on an item of mine again. Don't even jokingly roll, or I'll exempt your roll and the roll of your friend.

[NXPlasmid]

I've only once ever passed loot I got on a roll to a friend, and only after I asked the original puller of said loot if he was "ok" with that, I basically said, I'll want that armor (from VoD) and will keep it but my friend has been trying for it a long time and I would like to pass it along. The guy said Ok, so I passed it, I would have kept it had he said no, because that armor would have been quite nice. In general, I believe strongly that if you win the roll you should not pass that loot to someone else, especially if you have no interest in said loot...

[Demoyn]

Even TA runs, which have a completely different in-guild loot method, don't allow for passing of rolled loot to friends. Hell, we'll vendor a piece of raid gear before we pass it to a guildie who could use it but didn't need it badly enough to spend points on. Anything else is just underhanded.

EDIT: Oh, and PM pls.

[ArgentMage]

OK, I have to admit I have no idea what you all are talking about.
Granted, I haven't done any raids, but what does it mean to "roll on" raid loot?
And why are respondents then asking for PMs?

[Emili]

OK, I have to admit I have no idea what you all are talking about.
Granted, I haven't done any raids, but what does it mean to "roll on" raid loot?
And why are respondents then asking for PMs? : confused:

Quite simply put... in any raid all players in the group get some chance that actual raid named (binding) loot drops or not... Not every loot pulled in a raid is actual raid loot… some people may just pull the run of the mill random generated unbound usually junk items while binding named items (considered raid loot) may drop for a few.

i.e. Maybe the named loot "Gloves of the Glacier - (Gloves) Glacial Assault, Efficient Metamagic - Maximize II, Efficient Metamagic - Extend II " may drop for a Barbarian. Quite obviously such an item has little value to the barb but will help the build of any caster in the group … particularly an arcane… so the Barbarian decides what to do with it… typically giving it away or putting it up for a /roll 1d100 with reassigning the loot to the highest roll participant.

This is common practice as
1.) Sometimes you already have the loot.
2.) Sometimes the loot does not fit your build
3.) Sometimes the loot fills use in another class in the party better then yours.

What is described by the OP are two people from the same guild … rolling for the same piece of loot against other rollers who want a chance to win said item. One of the persons in said guild wins the high roll and hands it to his friend (the other guildies who also rolled) – basically in essence this person had two rolls for the loot – his and his friend who turned it over to him.

Such practice is viewed quite unfair and shady handed when you think about it. The winner who won the roll sole intention was to better the odds for his guild mate in receiving the loot, over all the other people also rolling. Thus many people frown upon such.

While it is true both guildies were participants in the raid, it is also true other rollers for the loot were also – and are as much so deserving of a fair and equal chance to receive the raid loot when put up for a roll. - reassignment.

Had it been a group of 10 guildies and 2 pugs … let say one of the pug popped the loot – decided he could not use it and put it up for roll - and only two people are actually interested and can use the item - the other pug and one of the guild members. Yet the other 9 guildies colaborate and roll for a chance to attain the loot for their 1 particular guild member… it would seem most unfair to the other pug rolling his one roll to their 10 for the chance at loot to be used between but two people.

The PM's are for more ... well...

[Redlotusninjagrl]

I find this interesting. One time when we popped a chest, my guild officer asked me to give him one of my items. I thought that was weird, but did it. It was actually something I couldn't use but he could so I didn't mind. Up until then, I didn't know that you could actually pass loot. The only time I have ever rolled for anything else was when there were some random gems or adamant ore, then the highest roll takes it. I guess this game can be played many ways!

[Yajerman01]

pretty much khyber's pug raids have the common rule of "roll on for raid loot you use". it is pretty simple. when you give up the loot, it is meant for whoever rolled for it to use it. to pass the won raid loot to another is an act of selfishness and unfairness

in order to avoid this problem, i only pass the loot once there is only 2 of us left in the instance. if the other party refuses to recall out just so he/she can wait on raid loot being passed over, i'll pull it out of the chest and VENDOR it

?Signed, - I took this advice back a few moths ago when you stated it, and thus far, I haven't had any problems, although I dont pull alot of loot from raids. I am just waiting for the day someone rolls, wins and his buddy refuses to leave, cuz it aint happening

[Yajerman01]

Back OT: rolling on my raid loot with the intention of handing it off to someone else is the surest way to be banned from ever rolling on an item of mine again. Don't even jokingly roll, or I'll exempt your roll and the roll of your friend.

HEy now, I jokingly roll on raid loot all the time, but as soon as I roll, If im the highest roller i qucikly say over mic, im not in the quest! Because matter of factly, if there is nothing I desire I leave asap (however, I generally do that with people I know, so I guess it falls under cicumstnatial relations)

[Mithran]

HEy now, I jokingly roll on raid loot all the time, but as soon as I roll, If im the highest roller i qucikly say over mic, im not in the quest! Because matter of factly, if there is nothing I desire I leave asap (however, I generally do that with people I know, so I guess it falls under cicumstnatial relations)

I guess I've never understood the 'humor' behind 'joke rolls' on loot. I've seen Strakeln deal with them in a manner I approved of.

[RioRussell]

Rolling on an item (raid loot) to pass to your guildie means that any future runs your guild members are in with me means everyone in the raid will be following your example.

Allow me to add an addendum to this: If raid loot gets mistakenly assigned to you when you didn't win, this is your opportunity to give it to the person that did win, not loot it.

Actually, this brings up a better point to raid leaders on Khyber. Because of how many new players are now reaching the point where they are buying adventure packs and getting into raids they have never been in before, it is important that as the leader you are clear on raid loot rules/methods before the raid starts. If you don't care, then say it.

rio

[Yajerman01]

I guess I've never understood the 'humor' behind 'joke rolls' on loot. I've seen Strakeln deal with them in a manner I approved of.

Well sometimes people take this game too seriously and therefore lack humor at all.

But like I said, I usually do it amongst people I know and no one has ever "accidiently" transferred a raid item to me becasue i rolled.

[Aussieee]

I see some posts coming up with the same old idea. People have their mind set. In some peoples mind rolling for friends isn't wrong. They think it's funny to roll on loot when you aren't even in. Howevere it's a dead street if nobody has said before hand how things are gonna work. Till the leader has said anything NOBODY can claim whats right and whats not. When I pull raid loot I don't need I make sure to distribute as I see fit. If I beleave that a item is usefull alot more for one and not for another I will specify casters/clerics/bard roll-like for abbot gloves per say. Your loot you do what you want with it. I have given up arguing with people over it. Set your rules before hand or keep quet.

[Emili]

I guess I've never understood the 'humor' behind 'joke rolls' on loot. I've seen Strakeln deal with them in a manner I approved of.

I am particularly submissive 'bout loot rolling for myself... will often destain from it shall I see others more excited 'bout such. If it be something I pull that fits the girl well... bloody be am grabbing it up. But when comes to roll I do not participate unless is something I truely really want badly... even come I pull a tome, I look around at the group and wonder who may put to better use. If I pull something I deem where it's going usually ... sometimes to peoples dismay, sometimes not.

I do not mind joke rolls... but sometimes they do lend an air to confusion, fact is I once lost the Hound's defender shield (a tower shield) to a Monk rolling as a joke from the market... no longer even in the quest. His the only roll beat mine, was assigned to him as a win on his jest and thus lay waste in the chest as I left... disappointing and annoying thing 'bout it all was I won roll for that bloody thing three to four times before that only to have it mis-assigned to someone who left the dungeon, bloody not that I intended on it's use much as am twf on the toon... moreso the silly thing elluding me than anything. Eventually I took it as an end reward on run 40 but that one piece of loot be nearly a pain as my ole SoS was (78 runs under the old rune system). Real joke rolls are when I jump into the chest and lay down and wonder... "Bloody how many will roll for the extra loot? Be caring to roll on my chest Strakeln? "