Crowd Control 101

[SINIBYTE]

The best crowd control is a dead crowd.

[dv8maker123]

Yes, but it is easier to make them deceased if they aren't moving..

[Aranticus]

The best crowd control is a dead crowd.

+1 rep

[SINIBYTE]

+1 rep

heh, thanks. That makes up for the -1 someone gave me. /boggle

[sirgog]

heh, thanks. That makes up for the -1 someone gave me. /boggle

I'd have given you -1 if I thought you meant IRL crowds are best dead.

[Cedwin]

The best crowd control is a dead crowd.

10 mobs running around beating on the cleric

vs

10 mobs fascinated, hypno'd, or webbed

The end doesn't always justify the means

[Ovrad]

Fascinate, hypnotize, or web are great. Charm is just annoying.

Most often then not, the caster charms an mob just as he was about to die, while the other mobs are all dead or very close. He just end up saving that mob and making the melee wait until he discharm...

[Cedwin]

Most often then not, the caster charms an mob just as he was about to die, while the other mobs are all dead or very close. He just end up saving that mob and making the melee wait until he discharm...

lol, sometimes I think the casters do that on purpose. It happens quite frequently. Mob is down to 10 hitpoints and gets charmed.

[SINIBYTE]

lol, sometimes I think the casters do that on purpose. It happens quite frequently. Mob is down to 10 hitpoints and gets charmed.

Sometimes you see a mob, full health, and hit suggestion/charm/whatever, *save*, it starts running for you, you begin frantically button mashing, by the time one of the charms actually sticks, the melee grabs it and it's almost dead... Then they stand on top of it swinging away like mad, typing "release it", not realising you can't click on it because there's 4 people standing on top if it, heh.

[dv8maker123]

Not gonna lie...there are times when we do that for a good laugh

On the other hand, there are also times where Mass Charm Monster can save the group.

Personally, I love watching a group of CR16 mobs struggling with my level 2 web spell.

[Cedwin]

Sometimes you see a mob, full health, and hit suggestion/charm/whatever, *save*, it starts running for you

A caster that pulls initial agro by casting at a group of mobs is a bad caster IMO. Wait until the melee run in and get initial agro, then fire up the CC.

[Kalari]

Unless the cc is something that immoblizes mobs. Its not wise to throw cloud kill into a pile of mobs before throwing a web/hold monster/person what not. But many casters dont learn the key to effective crowd control before taking a few lumps. Its not easy when you start out and until you get the mentality of "I dont want to be squished all the time, and hey I shouldnt launch this aggro inducing spell into this group of very heavy hitting mobs." its not going to be easy.

My favorites to this day are web and dance spells with hold being the next runners up after a mob is immobilized I can sit back and watch them burn or let the melees have their fun and cut them down.

[Thrudh]

Fascinate, hypnotize, or web are great. Charm is just annoying.

Most often then not, the caster charms an mob just as he was about to die, while the other mobs are all dead or very close. He just end up saving that mob and making the melee wait until he discharm...

Your example does not prove that charm is annoying. Your example proves that some wizards are poor players...

[Cedwin]

Unless the cc is something that immoblizes mobs. Its not wise to throw cloud kill into a pile of mobs before throwing a web/hold monster/person what not.

I remember when cloud kill didn't pull agro. Many a beholder died by mysterious green gas back then.

[Kalari]

I remember when cloud kill didn't pull agro. Many a beholder died by mysterious green gas back then.

hehe guildies still call it the silent burrito gas attack wish they hadnt changed it but can see why they did still a fun spell to use though I throw an ottos and that and watch them dance in the gas lol. Or ottos firewall disco inferno combo

I go now before I really start sounding old

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Yes, but the worse crowd control is an injured, really mad crowd.

Choose carefully.

[YakoSpiritFist]

lol, sometimes I think the casters do that on purpose. It happens quite frequently. Mob is down to 10 hitpoints and gets charmed.

Yeah a few days ago I had some guy on my team trying the charm everything with his wand before we could finish them off. It was more annoying then those guys that use grease on their own team several times in a row.

[Ovrad]

Your example does not prove that charm is annoying. Your example proves that some wizards are poor players...

Ok then, poor players that use charm are annoying. Better?

[Tyrande]

The best crowd control is a dead crowd.

/agreed

This is assuming the crowd can be killed and needed to be killed.

Of course, then use some instant AoE mass kill spell.

This is all assuming that your instant AoE kill spell has a high chance of success.

[Thrudh]

Ok then, poor players that use charm are annoying. Better?

Yep!