No new PrE's? Again?? Really???

[Lextek]

Give me what you have now and the rest when it is done.

I second that!!!

[Reisz]

P.S. try to post this same exact post in a few more threads.

Yeah, I originally posted in the wrong one. I guess the threads are the same so they beg the same reply.

[Mjesko]

and what do we have, a new crafting mechanic and 2 new pres (at least) in the update that follows.

Honestly, that seems pretty logical - and like pretty reasonable progress - to me. I can only imagine that the reincarnation system really involved a ton of dev team effort for a while, and now that it's in the hands of coding, it seems like we've got quite a bit more stuff coming down the pipe.

Hmmm, you are right IF the wizard and sorcerer PrEs are more than + x % critical chance, critical multiplier and damage, which i doubt, because the PrE items suggest that Turbine is going that route.

[bobbryan2]

Hmmm, you are right IF the wizard and sorcerer PrEs are more than + x % critical chance, critical multiplier and damage, which i doubt, because the PrE items suggest that Turbine is going that route.

Rather, more of the rings suggest that the PrEs aren't done, so they put filler bonuses in them.

That's my way of explaining the sorcerer/cleric rings at least.

[QuantumFX]

Just like the Thief-Acrobat (a 3.0 PrC from Song and Silence), we're not limiting ourselves solely to 3.5 prestige classes for the inspiration for the PrE's.

Don’t you mean the Monk PrE’s. Since, apparently, all the Eberron sourcebooks have absolutely nothing that you could use as enhancements or feats for the class.

[Raiderone]

Varr, I agree that to people that have stuck with DDO things I say must sound like sacrilege.

But, if those same people can take a moment to read between the lines of what I am saying, they must see that what I see is what probably most newbies to DDO that are at least familiar with DnD will notice.

Its nice some of you lot are happy and are willing to wait, but if anybody from Turbine is reading anything I wrote, you can assume that there are hundreds of people who will think like I do, but instead of posting on forums to see if any reaction will be forthcoming or any news of favorable changes they will just move on.

I have been over on Codemasters forums, got intrigued with situation European version is having after discussion on their topic where they want Turbine to transfer them (which I do not believe legally possible), and granted some of those people have just as hardcore fanatics as ones over here, but fanaticism does not save MMO like this, improvements do. Right now, DDO is fresh new f2p, theres vids on youtube, friends telling friends to check it out. At least I'm certainly telling my friends to. And I understand that for some amount of time no improvements were made and its all new that new content is coming. But I still have opinion that its limited. None of you need to share it, its just my opinion, bless freedom of speech, but I cant help but hope somebody in Turbine who can make changes reads it and maybe, just maybe, decides its time to fix their game up like old car that needs new coat of paint.

You guys that have been around here long time need to stop taking this so personally, its just a game, it can be improved, speed at which its being done could be improved, probably by mere addition of couple guys to workforce if they dont have sufficient team size, and it should be improved, because at its core its a good game, just feels bit lacking. Maybe not to some of you, but if you think about it, if just you vets was enough, DDO would never have gone f2p.

But, yeah, I'm here, I'm not splitting, there is nothing else I want to play, I am actually hoping one change that comes sometime soon is one to let me pay for at least my wifes account with same paypal I paid for mine, I'm not exactly bored enough to leave yet, its still fun, just saying it could be better. I'd feel better if somebody from Turbine was doing weekly or bi-weekly updates on forum as to what their plans for game are, and I am sure I'm not only one that feels like I do about it.

@kingfisher: if youre throwing up from reading, go see doctor. Forum is not worth dying over :P

and edit: you see,that entire f2p, yuck attitude is what makes me feel like I'm talking to idiots. Anybody who thinks that Vip makes them better should take a deep long look at their life.

But I think what you don't understand. From a Vet's view point (definitely my view point), the content speed has improved significantly. So far since September,
we've seen Update 1 with five new quests and some Epic quests. A patch to add TR
and now a forthcoming update2 by December 16th.
In the past, we would be lucky if Update1 was available by Jan 2010 (three to four months of wait time between Updates or Modules).

What I like, is that they aren't holding up Update2 for PrE's or any other Reincarnations. So that in itself is another improvement.

I dont think you've been around long enough to understand improvements.

Would I like to see more PrE's soon, absolutely. If they are ready before Update3,
maybe we can get a patch.

And yes, I'm disappointed they wont be in Update2. but i also didn't expect Update2 to be this soon (dec16th). More like Feb 2010...

[jmonty]

They probably should have given us a way to craft on all 4 tiers. Let us get blank rings some easy way (high drop rate or ala GS blanks through flagging) and then craft the T1 & T2 & T3 (+6 stat. +1 bonus, specialty) by "focus ingredients" that fall in the chests. T4 with shroud ingredients works fine.

If I want a warchanter +6 str +1 exceptional wisdom ring, why not?

that would be cool as long as it wasn't random.

[TheJusticar]

I disagree with most people Raiding. There are raids in number of MMO's I played, and I think person thats more into Raiding than anything else would likely hit WoW instead. DDO strikes me like it has lot more RP-type people overall, now with influx of f2p it has ton of Barrens Chat crowd in Korthos and Harbor, and I'm not really sure how many casuals, but it has lot less hardcore players than you'd think. Take a look at how many very vocal forum posters there are. Not that many. So, in my opinion, I think that very big majority of CURRENT DDO population are just soloing/pugging casuals. It would be nice if it was possible to see some kind of breakdown, I'm sure Turbine might have worked out one for themselves to decide what to release for profit margins.

Youre right that I did not do every quest in the game. I did not level up to 20 yet either, just 14, so lets say theres 20-30 dungeons I did not see, compared to what i did see, and I saw ones I have not been inside here:
http://caffeinated.guildportal.com/G...&TabID=2415997
a lot of it just looks very recycled and I just think DDO needs more new content, not just for lv 20's but for all level ranges, and with bit faster schedule than right now.

I'm coming from point of view as somebody who has played a lot of pnp adventures, mostly 2nd edition adnd, some 3rd, and I cant help but feel that this has such potential that is not being utilized at all. Not to be misunderstood I hope, I just want this game to evolve and improve, its only DnD MMO and I much prefer DnD to current trend of dumbed down MMO's out there.

Your stats are WAY, WAY, WAY off. Though I agree that content is sparse (and some of it right out poorly designed), your assumptions about the make up of the community is utterly misguided. If you hang out long enough, you'll learn this by yourself. Most players that make it to end-game live off running raids (all 5 of them). It's very grindy, but some people find that the rewards are worth it.

Godspeed.

[zealous]

Your stats are WAY, WAY, WAY off. Though I agree that content is sparse (and some of it right out poorly designed), your assumptions about the make up of the community is utterly misguided. If you hang out long enough, you'll learn this by yourself. Most players that make it to end-game live off running raids (all 5 of them). It's very grindy, but some people find that the rewards are worth it.

Godspeed.

I'm not really sure, I'd be inclined to go with Lex on this one.

Sure, throughout the years up until the launch of unlimited this was certainly the case. Then again content was often coming slower.

Now though, there's a lot of lowbies-midbies, a lot.

Don't know if the current population of vets is a objective criteria to judge by either, after all, to have kept playing you would most likely have had to be interested in raiding to keep yourself occupied e.g. through the drought of the spring 09.

My impression over the years has been that everyone is interested in running quests but only a few are interested in repeatedly grinding raids. The non-raiders generally didn't stick around for overly long though.


While personally I might prefer running naked epic TS runs, the unvocal majority might prefer two extra quests in searing heights.

Don't know, if they get sufficient revenue and can keep quests coming at a sufficient pace for them not to go stale...maybe focusing less on what's good for my characters and focusing more on smelling the roses might actually be an option. =P

[TheJusticar]

I'm not really sure, I'd be inclined to go with Lex on this one.

Sure, throughout the years up until the launch of unlimited this was certainly the case. Then again content was often coming slower.

Now though, there's a lot of lowbies-midbies, a lot.

As soon as they hit lvl 8-9, they start grinding Tempest Spine. I've seen no less than 4-5 TS runs every night in Argo. Players, in general, like to raid. Lured by XP and loot, you'd be hard pressed not to raid.

[barecm]

/signed

Finish the PrEs already. I am all for new content, but not having PrEs for certain classes is bad. One thing that should be complete is the character class abilities in full, not just some, all of them. I really don't follow the wisdom in having a handful of PrEs released.

[iraiqat316]

Wow turbine has been updating regularly and all you do is complain.

[Nyvn]

/crosses his fingers for tomorrow.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

/crosses his fingers for tomorrow.

Palemaster already confirmed by Tolero

[KKDragonLord]

Don’t you mean the Monk PrE’s. Since, apparently, all the Eberron sourcebooks have absolutely nothing that you could use as enhancements or feats for the class.

Theres several feats for Monk multiclassing and Psionic monkerism