No new PrE's? Again?? Really???

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Imagine what it says about content when I join game in September, join forums in October, we have November, and now December and I already feel lack of new content.

You've run every quest in the game at least once?

"Kobolds New Ringleader" or "Sunken Sewer" or "Catacombs", those are really badly done. I'd like to see more that look like Shan To Kor, Deleras, Gianthold, Tangleroot...

The quests you hate were among the first quests in the game, which is why the are the most primative.

I mostly solo, sometimes PuG, so I cant say I have done Raids, although I do own several, maybe that content is better, but I seriously doubt majority of people have Raiding as main focus,

Then you'd be wrong. Raiding is where a large percentage of the people spend a lot of their time.

And how can you say there isn't enough content when that statement shows you haven't run, and don't even own chunks of the game. You really dstroy your own case well.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Well, the thing about rings... it was a mistake to try to make one for each specialty. Instead of going for 10*3 = 30 different rings, they should have made about 10, each applicable to several class specs.

They probably should have given us a way to craft on all 4 tiers. Let us get blank rings some easy way (high drop rate or ala GS blanks through flagging) and then craft the T1 & T2 & T3 (+6 stat. +1 bonus, specialty) by "focus ingredients" that fall in the chests. T4 with shroud ingredients works fine.

If I want a warchanter +6 str +1 exceptional wisdom ring, why not?

[Lextek]

I disagree with most people Raiding. There are raids in number of MMO's I played, and I think person thats more into Raiding than anything else would likely hit WoW instead. DDO strikes me like it has lot more RP-type people overall, now with influx of f2p it has ton of Barrens Chat crowd in Korthos and Harbor, and I'm not really sure how many casuals, but it has lot less hardcore players than you'd think. Take a look at how many very vocal forum posters there are. Not that many. So, in my opinion, I think that very big majority of CURRENT DDO population are just soloing/pugging casuals. It would be nice if it was possible to see some kind of breakdown, I'm sure Turbine might have worked out one for themselves to decide what to release for profit margins.

Youre right that I did not do every quest in the game. I did not level up to 20 yet either, just 14, so lets say theres 20-30 dungeons I did not see, compared to what i did see, and I saw ones I have not been inside here:
http://caffeinated.guildportal.com/G...&TabID=2415997
a lot of it just looks very recycled and I just think DDO needs more new content, not just for lv 20's but for all level ranges, and with bit faster schedule than right now.

I'm coming from point of view as somebody who has played a lot of pnp adventures, mostly 2nd edition adnd, some 3rd, and I cant help but feel that this has such potential that is not being utilized at all. Not to be misunderstood I hope, I just want this game to evolve and improve, its only DnD MMO and I much prefer DnD to current trend of dumbed down MMO's out there.

[quickgrif]

I disagree with most people Raiding. There are raids in number of MMO's I played, and I think person thats more into Raiding than anything else would likely hit WoW instead. DDO strikes me like it has lot more RP-type people overall, now with influx of f2p it has ton of Barrens Chat crowd in Korthos and Harbor, and I'm not really sure how many casuals, but it has lot less hardcore players than you'd think. Take a look at how many very vocal forum posters there are. Not that many. So, in my opinion, I think that very big majority of CURRENT DDO population are just soloing/pugging casuals. It would be nice if it was possible to see some kind of breakdown, I'm sure Turbine might have worked out one for themselves to decide what to release for profit margins.

Youre right that I did not do every quest in the game. I did not level up to 20 yet either, just 14, so lets say theres 20-30 dungeons I did not see, compared to what i did see, and I saw ones I have not been inside here:
http://caffeinated.guildportal.com/G...&TabID=2415997
a lot of it just looks very recycled and I just think DDO needs more new content, not just for lv 20's but for all level ranges, and with bit faster schedule than right now.

I'm coming from point of view as somebody who has played a lot of pnp adventures, mostly 2nd edition adnd, some 3rd, and I cant help but feel that this has such potential that is not being utilized at all. Not to be misunderstood I hope, I just want this game to evolve and improve, its only DnD MMO and I much prefer DnD to current trend of dumbed down MMO's out there.

You are wrong on the raiding. Many of us that is our focus 90 percent of the time. And why would I go to wow system which I find simplistic and do not like just to raid?

[Lextek]

Ok, I did not say nobody Raids, I said it is not primary focus for majority of people. I think we all understand that for most vets raiding is important since they wouldnt have stayed here that long with all the apparent issues that were going on if they did not.

But, I think right now, December 2009, DDO population is not majority vets, but more than likely majority f2p in some form, I have no idea what % are actually fully free, and I doubt PuG raiding is high priority.

Its possible that in DDO, Raids can be Pugged, in which case I'm wrong, and they might be more fun than I think they are. As far as my experiences with raiding, in WoW for example, it nearly always deteriorates into very boring do A, then B than C, where group of monkeys can do it with right gear, but PuGs usually are not geared so fail more often than not, and failing something invested 3 hours of my very limited free time is not fun for me at all. Its also possible that difficulty of Raid boss is something more than million hit point 2 trick pony, but I'll be surprised if thats the case.

Yes, I am very much a newbie to DDO, but I believe so is majority of current population. And thats people whose main concern is checking the game out, fun content, classes, not "I must get to 20 and Raid".

[Lorien_the_First_One]

But, I think right now, December 2009, DDO population is not majority vets, but more than likely majority f2p in some form, I have no idea what % are actually fully free, and I doubt PuG raiding is high priority.

If they stick around, they will be raiding, that is the basis of mid to end game and where all the good stuff can be found.

Its possible that in DDO, Raids can be Pugged, in which case I'm wrong,

Well there you go, you are wrong, glad you admit it. You might want to check the LFMs, pug raids are up all the time. Few raids are "guild only".

Yes, I am very much a newbie to DDO, but I believe so is majority of current population. And thats people whose main concern is checking the game out, fun content, classes, not "I must get to 20 and Raid".

You demonstrate your lack of knowlege even by thinking raiding starts at 20, it most certainly does not. Raiding can start at L8-12 and the good stuff starts with a L12 raid.

You may actually want to play the game before you give so much advice out about things you don't know.

[Lextek]

No, I am aware lv 10 was max once upon a time, and I do own more than few adventure packs with raids, such as von, but you can always drag out one line of something I said and comment on that line instead of post as a whole. I use lv 20 as "endgame" as that is what is important to me personally once I get there.

Problem with Forums is that every word one writes, or way one writes it can be used, by creative enough person, to start flaming.

I am speaking my opinion, even if I was only person on DDO with opinion that I have, I'm still inclined to voice it, but I really dont think I'm wrong overall here, and I think what is much more likely to happen is people hitting lv 20, and getting bored with very few endgame options offered. Game needs more content, and especially things like new race (half-orc, cmon), new classes (druid, cmon, again), rest of pre's, which are overdue, PVP adventure pack, ... I realize that in some ideas I am in very small minority, but that doesnt stop me from wanting it in game, even tho I think we'll all be lucky to get this one update every 2 months. I'm just sadened by it since I'm not as jaded as some of you about it yet.

[Angelus_dead]

You demonstrate your lack of knowlege even by thinking raiding starts at 20, it most certainly does not. Raiding can start at L8-12 and the good stuff starts with a L12 raid.

It's not technically true, but it's fairly accurate in practice.

Because of the 3-day lockout period to repeat a raid, a non-capped character is unlikely to be able to do a particular raid more than a couple times before he has advanced past its level. Meanwhile the low drop rate means he'll need a lot of other runs to get the items he wants. So raiding is primarily an endgame activity, even if the challenge of the raid's encounters is well below endgame.

An additional implication is that since level 20 characters continue to want loot from low-level raids, they are likely to join and kill the XP of low-level characters.

[honkuimushi]

Yeah, major dropped ball. Someone needs to get those out.

And come up with some for FvS while they're at it. Oh... and put FvS rings in ToD.

To be fair, they did include the names of the FvS PrEs a new Sorcerer PrE and Scorpion Wraith in a kind of stealth update of the thread. But I do hope to start seeing previews pretty soon. Once we get an idea of the requirements and benefits, I expect to see a lot of activity in the character builds section.

I remember when the Paladin PrEs were previewed. That led to a bunch of new Pallys being rolled and a real rebirth of the class. And this was before they were actually released, just built in preparation using the previews.

I'd like to see that for some other classes too. And the issue about whether to go to 18 or with a deeper multiclass is even more of an issue now-- especially because a respec option to change your class split without starting over at 1 looks to be another year off at least.

[Thrudh]

Its possible that in DDO, Raids can be Pugged, in which case I'm wrong, and they might be more fun than I think they are.

Raiding in DDO is a lot better than WOW, because the raids are fairly short, and can easily be PUGed.

[Lextek]

Thrudh I'm really hoping that turns out to be right on the spot, I hated elitist attitude with WoW Raids towards casuals.

[Thrudh]

No, I am aware lv 10 was max once upon a time, and I do own more than few adventure packs with raids, such as von, but you can always drag out one line of something I said and comment on that line instead of post as a whole. I use lv 20 as "endgame" as that is what is important to me personally once I get there.

Problem with Forums is that every word one writes, or way one writes it can be used, by creative enough person, to start flaming.

I am speaking my opinion, even if I was only person on DDO with opinion that I have, I'm still inclined to voice it, but I really dont think I'm wrong overall here, and I think what is much more likely to happen is people hitting lv 20, and getting bored with very few endgame options offered. Game needs more content, and especially things like new race (half-orc, cmon), new classes (druid, cmon, again), rest of pre's, which are overdue, PVP adventure pack, ... I realize that in some ideas I am in very small minority, but that doesnt stop me from wanting it in game, even tho I think we'll all be lucky to get this one update every 2 months. I'm just sadened by it since I'm not as jaded as some of you about it yet.

I appreciate your feedback, but have you already tried most of the existing races and classes? Why do you think we need more races and classes after only 3 months of playing? In 3 months, how much of the game have you played? I'm pretty sure there is a lot more than just 20-30 quests you haven't done yet..

Have you played to level 14 as a cleric? as a wizard? as a barbarian? as a rogue? as a bard? I promise you that they are very different experiences...

[Thrudh]

To address the OP...

The PrEs really do need to be completed. At least one person needs to be working on these full time.

[Lextek]

@Thrudh : Its DnD. Its not like going to, oh, example, Star Wars, which I did not play for 20 years in pnp form so everything is new. Its game that in a way I am used to being able to play certain things (Half Orc Druid) that just seem to be 5ft away when I am logged into DDO. I mean I can see Half Orc Henchman seller in Harbor and it just feels like it could be put in just like that. Sure, that might be wrong perception, but I'm just saying its what it looks like to me.

Druid is probably more complex issue, but I have read enough posts that would like Druid that it should be added since few hundred of us would buy that class as extra at least.

And thinking about it, rotgrubs are missing. And unfortunatelly, Epic levels, which I do not think will be getting added, which is minor thing. See, thing is if its new game completely and nothing to compare to but other games its one thing, but this is DND, ... maybe I'm just too old and been playing DnD too long *shrug* Nevermind, I'm just newbie here, I still like DDO, its just that it leaves something missing as I play. I'm sure DnD means different things to different people.

Playing through Shan To Kor leave kinda that epic DnD feeling. Lot of other adventure packs I purchased do not and instead look like some kid assembled them in 20 minutes (ex. Catacombs), I guess I just would like to see more epic type dnd adventures.

Edit: I should mention, I have all races, and all clases except for Favored Soul, I did try them all to lv 10, not in all combinations of course but I did do fair amount of hours of gaming in 3 months, I'm retired so I game a lot, not really much else I'm mobile enough to do.

Edit2: I got all interesting sounding packs til lv 14, plus I got one with Icy Rainments drop forgot name, and one more with greensteel something that friend said I should get, so while I didnt get to play all of it due to not being high enough level, I think I saw a lot of game.

[Fennario]

When someone recently necro'd the dec 08 thread it was sad.

Wow, I totally missed that. And you're right it was sad.

So this is the new info we got from that thread regarding when new PrE's are coming:

Pale Master / Arcane Archer will be in Update 3.

Update 2 is primarily content.

Well, at least wizard is getting something.

I'd have rather seen ANYTHING than finishing up arcane archer though.

There are way more sorcerers, clerics, favored souls, and monks out there waiting for something than arcane archers. Most rangers are tempests anyway.

Oh well.

[Varr]

Lex here is the deal.........you've been here for three months (really that included f2p, level cap from 16-20, two content drops with a third on test) during a content and game changing bonanza.....

And complain that you are underwhelmed.....to the forum participants that are largely 2-4 year addicted players........

I'm certainly one of them and you come off whiny and unapprecitive......on top of being under educated by lack of real playing experiance. Your well written, and obviuosly mature.....in this case though the messanger undermines the message.......valid or not (moslty not in my opponion.)

Play the game to level 18+ on three different alts and experiance it fully then make unpopular statements during a resurgance in the game.

[kingfisher]

Not enough new content. Cmon Dev's pick up that ball and play. Those PrE's should have been done in 2008, were about to hit 2010.

anyone else throw up a little bit at reading this? f2p, has never even run all the quests or favor capped a toon or even lvl capped bunch of toons and he is complaining about "content". gimme a break.

agree about the pre's tho, after the LR/GR get fixed i feel getting all the pre's out (RAVAGER FTW) and working properly should be near top of the list, after half-orcs of course

[Lextek]

Varr, I agree that to people that have stuck with DDO things I say must sound like sacrilege.

But, if those same people can take a moment to read between the lines of what I am saying, they must see that what I see is what probably most newbies to DDO that are at least familiar with DnD will notice.

Its nice some of you lot are happy and are willing to wait, but if anybody from Turbine is reading anything I wrote, you can assume that there are hundreds of people who will think like I do, but instead of posting on forums to see if any reaction will be forthcoming or any news of favorable changes they will just move on.

I have been over on Codemasters forums, got intrigued with situation European version is having after discussion on their topic where they want Turbine to transfer them (which I do not believe legally possible), and granted some of those people have just as hardcore fanatics as ones over here, but fanaticism does not save MMO like this, improvements do. Right now, DDO is fresh new f2p, theres vids on youtube, friends telling friends to check it out. At least I'm certainly telling my friends to. And I understand that for some amount of time no improvements were made and its all new that new content is coming. But I still have opinion that its limited. None of you need to share it, its just my opinion, bless freedom of speech, but I cant help but hope somebody in Turbine who can make changes reads it and maybe, just maybe, decides its time to fix their game up like old car that needs new coat of paint.

You guys that have been around here long time need to stop taking this so personally, its just a game, it can be improved, speed at which its being done could be improved, probably by mere addition of couple guys to workforce if they dont have sufficient team size, and it should be improved, because at its core its a good game, just feels bit lacking. Maybe not to some of you, but if you think about it, if just you vets was enough, DDO would never have gone f2p.

But, yeah, I'm here, I'm not splitting, there is nothing else I want to play, I am actually hoping one change that comes sometime soon is one to let me pay for at least my wifes account with same paypal I paid for mine, I'm not exactly bored enough to leave yet, its still fun, just saying it could be better. I'd feel better if somebody from Turbine was doing weekly or bi-weekly updates on forum as to what their plans for game are, and I am sure I'm not only one that feels like I do about it.

@kingfisher: if youre throwing up from reading, go see doctor. Forum is not worth dying over :P

and edit: you see,that entire f2p, yuck attitude is what makes me feel like I'm talking to idiots. Anybody who thinks that Vip makes them better should take a deep long look at their life.

[Thrudh]

Playing through Shan To Kor leave kinda that epic DnD feeling.

You'll find a lot of the end-game quests have that epic feel as well... There may be one too many "kobolds in the sewer" quests in the early levels, but the dungeons get pretty interesting the farther you progress...

There's a lot of "Whoa" moments in this game (like the first time you see the STK giant/construct)

[Lextek]

Thrudh you seem to at least get what I expect out of DDO, youre exactly right, its exactly moments like STK Golem, and that newly added Irestone ship explosion that I am here for. Thats what I expect of dnd mmo.