Was there an Arrogant Gimp parade...

[sephiroth1084]

...that no one told me about?

Was running Ruined Halls just now on elite, and I notice the paladin shield-blocking while the only monster around is a spider beating the **** out of my rogue. So I ask him why he is blocking without aggro, and mention that it's pointless to do so.

He says, "I disagree."

Don't think anything of it, as we move on to the mephit room, but we're getting hammered, and I see him standing off from the group and blocking again! So I ask what he's doing. He says that he blocks when in healing mode, so that he doesn't get tagged hard by some random aggro.

I apologize for my abrasive tone in asking, as that's a reasonable strategy, but then say that it's usually better to have all DPS in on mephits, since they regen.

Then he says he doubts he would be much help, since he has 6 STR and a +1 weapon! This is a Paladin 6/Rogue 2.

Naturally, I'm both somewhat irritated (we wiped except for this guy, who is just running the mephits in circles), and puzzled, and ask WHY?

Apparently he specialized in healing and saves. On a paladin. How do you specialize in saves on a paladin? WHY would one specialize in saves on a paladin? -_-

Saves grow on trees for paladins! Saves fall from the skies! Paladins through out saves when they're half done because they know more are coming! (Wish I had said all this exactly so).

I point out the error of this, as do a few other people in group, in as politely as is possible in this situation. And he insists that I just don't have the same idea about good saves that he does.

I mention that I have 2 capped paladins, and have run 3 others up to around level 11. One guy says that he didn't join up to argue and drops group, then Mr. ****** agrees, and apparently squelches me.

This, after having a monk go crowd surfing two or three times in a row on mephits in VoN 6 (he didn't learn the first time?), and that thread about sorc/pald 3 warrior-mage with the abysmal ability scores.

I'd have rather had a level 4 hireling barbarian than this guy!

[karnokvolrath]

buawhaha

My pali has base 18 con, 18 dex, 18 wis.....6 str, 6int, 6 cha.......because str and cha are dump stats on a pali.....
But dont trip, if something cast a spell on me while im shield blocking and not getting agro and therefore not being cast at, ....i garentee i will pass the save.

[sephiroth1084]

buawhaha

My pali has base 18 con, 18 dex, 18 wis.....6 str, 6int, 6 cha.......because str and cha are dump stats on a pali.....
But dont trip, if something cast a spell on me while im shield blocking and not getting agro and therefore not being cast at, ....i garentee i will pass the save.

Oh, I bet he had something like 16 Cha, 16 Dex, 16 Con, 14 Wis (1/2ling).

[MissErres]

You know what's happening here in a couple weeks don'tcha? Yep, Holiday break for all the kiddies. 2-3 weeks with no school. Hang onto your asses people, it's only gonna get worse.

[Quikster]

*Snip*
I'd have rather had a level 4 hireling barbarian than this guy!

Get a FTP acct and get a wf'd caster with a hot FW. Thats what I do. Keeps me out of lowbie pugs when i dont feel like im playing well with others that day (which seems to be most days lately )

[Rasczak]

Not be rude here but exactly what point is there to passing a save while shield blocking? You have no aggro since you're not doing anything to mobs so you could dance nekkid in the corner if you wanted to. And imo...the faster you kill something the less time there is to make saves. My barb has no will save but nothing has time to cast something at him....and if they do well barb speed is there for a reason

I honestly don't see the point of a tincan sitting in the corner doing nothing so if someone could explain the point to me then I may be able to understand it a bit better...

[toughguyjoe]

If you ever see him in game again, point him to the doorstop paladin thread. Hes doing everything right, except hes lacking the Door part of the build.

[Quikster]

Not be rude here but exactly what point is there to passing a save while shield blocking? You have no aggro since you're not doing anything to mobs so you could dance nekkid in the corner if you wanted to. And imo...the faster you kill something the less time there is to make saves. My barb has no will save but nothing has time to cast something at him....and if they do well barb speed is there for a reason

I honestly don't see the point of a tincan sitting in the corner doing nothing so if someone could explain the point to me then I may be able to understand it a bit better...

Uhh, thats the point, there is no point to doing what was described, its pointless, so the point of the thread is pointless, got it?

[Rasczak]

Got it ages ago...was trying to be different for a change and try diplomacy I suck at it though

[Quikster]

Got it ages ago...was trying to be different for a change and try diplomacy I suck at it though

Which is why my post was filled with whimsical nonsense and a smiley face.

So not only was your diplo to low to make me search out another, but you failed your sarcasm save as well. Man low diplo and failed saves in a thread about a paladin with uber saves. Thats some serious irony for ya :P

[sephiroth1084]

Got it ages ago...was trying to be different for a change and try diplomacy I suck at it though

Yeah, really. I mean, half the point of this thread is to be rude (though I wasn't especially so).

[Rasczak]

Which is why my post was filled with whimsical nonsense and a smiley face.

So not only was your diplo to low to make me search out another, but you failed your sarcasm save as well. Man low diplo and failed saves in a thread about a paladin with uber saves. Thats some serious irony for ya :P

On the contrary my main is an intimi and I now have your attention on me...so who failed what save?

[sephiroth1084]

Get a FTP acct and get a wf'd caster with a hot FW. Thats what I do. Keeps me out of lowbie pugs when i dont feel like im playing well with others that day (which seems to be most days lately )

When the PUGs get bad, or I'm feeling antisocial I go looting/questing on my WF Wiz 9/Rog 2, or the Rog 8, but I usually prefer grouping, and I'm never gonna solo my WF barb 7 up.

[Calebro]

I was bored and decided to stop by and lurk for a while when I saw this.
That was you? LOL!
I was the rogue that snagged the trap and agreed with you completely.... and then left because I didn't really want to listen to it (read it) anymore.

OK, so I basically left because I knew it would just happen again because of this "pally". Whatever.

[Calebro]

Oh, and I guess I should mention the group I was in just before yours. It soured me on pugs for the night, but I thought I'd give it one more shot.

I opened an lfm for Redwillow. Took the first 5 that requested.
-Me (rogue/ranger/monk)
-ranger/rogue
-rogue
-cleric
-pally
-and another rogue

The cleric and the pally have never done Redwillow's before....
Not exactly optimal, so I suggest that with only 1 tank type and 1 healer, but a BUNCH of sneak attack, the strategy should be as follows: Cleric (who had claimed to be straight healer specced = good news) hangs back and nurses the pally. He's going to need it, since he's the only one the mobs are ever going to see.
All the rogues stay in sneak mode as much as possible. Pally *slowly* pulls mobs 1 or 2 at a time, we kill them before they ever knew the rest of us were even there.
Is it going to be a fast run?
No.
Will it work to keep the rookies alive and spare us squishy rogues a lot of headache?
Absolutely.
Everyone agrees that this is a solid strategy for this particular group.

Cut to the third fight where the pally sees a troll up ahead and charges in.... while we're all sneaking and can't keep up with him.... and of course he didn't see the 5 other trolls behind the first.... and of course when he began to get pummeled he ran around in a HUGE circle attaracting 3 OTHER groups of mobs.
Meanwhile, two of the rogues had dropped out of sneak and charged in to help him. My thoughts were that we'd be helping ourselves a lot more if we let him die.

Party wipes except for me. I'm sneaking around grabbing stones.
Then the *oh so wonderful* stealth issue glares it's ugly head and a group of mobs charge at me from miles away while I'm sneaking AND invisible.... and that's it for the wipe.

Someone asks what the plan is to try again.
My response is that our plan should be to STICK TO THE PLAN this time.
Then the two people that had never even run the quest before decide that this strategy is no good and that we need a full frontal assault.
...because that worked so well for them a moment ago....

So I joined you guys, only to deal with that. I wasn't really in the mood for it and logged in with my solo toon afterward. Yes, that one. The one that you don't like. I use him strictly for solo'ing now. He's still my favorite toon, regardless of his gimp-dom.

My apologies if my leaving soured the group at all, but it sounds like I did you a favor if the Pally left following me.

[Delphinium379]

I think I ran a Gwylan's with that guy a few days ago. Well, I started a run with that guy. We got through the first cave and I noticed he wasn't doing much of anything but didn't mention it.

Then as soon as we get out of the caves I, on my bard, get all the aggro while he just stands there doing nothing. I then hear over voice "I'm out of mana, going to tank mode" just about the time I get overwhelmed (since I'm the only person in melee and not receiving any heals). I dropped group promptly.

[Rasczak]

stopstopstop! I'm going to give myself a heartattack from laughing

[jkm]

sneaking? before rogue level 12? what in the world is the point?

[sephiroth1084]

I was bored and decided to stop by and lurk for a while when I saw this.
That was you? LOL!
I was the rogue that snagged the trap and agreed with you completely.... and then left because I didn't really want to listen to it (read it) anymore.

OK, so I basically left because I knew it would just happen again because of this "pally". Whatever.

Haha. Yeah, that was me. You haven't ever noticed my list of characters? And that all but 3 are named Ferr--something?

So I joined you guys, only to deal with that. I wasn't really in the mood for it and logged in with my solo toon afterward. Yes, that one. The one that you don't like. I use him strictly for solo'ing now. He's still my favorite toon, regardless of his gimp-dom.

My apologies if my leaving soured the group at all, but it sounds like I did you a favor if the Pally left following me.

I don't dislike your tri-class per se, just don't think it's a great choice to bring along in a group, particularly at low levels. Later on, it's probably nice to have along. I group with tri-classed, meleeing casters (Tukaw, Hellgod) semi-frequently, and they do great work.

Hell, if you see me on a lowbie, I'd have no problem grouping with that toon unless I'm doing something really rough, then I might group with him. Feel free to send that braggy, "I can do this, and this, and this..." tell.

No need to apologize. I wasn't going to stick around after what I was reading anyway. Oh, and he didn't leave. He just squelched me, or decided to ignore me. From the way people's mana and health bars were moving, it looked like Gimpopotamus, the cleric and one of the other guys (can't recall if it was the ranger or rogue) had headed back in. Felt pretty bad for them, but not enough to go help. Wished them luck and went to bed.

sneaking? before rogue level 12? what in the world is the point?

It's called strategamery.

[Quikster]

On the contrary my main is an intimi and I now have your attention on me...so who failed what save?

Sorry, not buying it, you typed diplo.....