Blacklist me please.

[-Satureon-]

Yesterday i just picked a VoD lfm, which needed an intimidator. Grabbed that, ok it’s fine on normal, i improved well my intimidation since the last one on normal (55 with GH atm). First of all i’m sorry about when i just misunderstood something on that lfm, who knows…


Well. What turned out? It will be mostly a "so called uber guild" raid even the lfm not really said anything about that and i was too lazy to just check the tag, and was in hurry a bit. Ofc we entered on Hard-> failed my intimidate on 1-2-3, because still not really prepared for that, and some of you guys should know how hard to equip a combined tank without any proper raiding guild… But you just easily judge behind your ‘1button simple’ guildpimped fotm erhm… builds………*thumb down*


Honestly, i not really like some of them and their dumb arrogance, and opinion about builds; here’s why:


- forgot where has been started and how


- group builds versus my allaround (PvE,PvP,completionist,soloist,lowmanist,self-sufficient) opinion-> rolling a minmaxed barb or sorc or fvs or cle honestly not a big deal! Pump the main attribute to max (str for barb for example), pump the con too on casters/cle types and get the guild for the high end loot in 1 month. Congrats dudes, you are really uber, im so jealous!*sarcasm*


All i can say i not really thinking about just how to beat any raid with a group full with “one shot ponies”. The game itself give more opportunity for me to make better toons compared with the so called *team builds*


- about professionalism: when you judging me gimp because i wear a shield too (still miss my +12 ac for proper 2wf tanking<raidloot), and because i missed 3 intimidate score for Sally hard; and i rolled again this one apr. since 1 month in US (parallel with pimping my gf and my fiancée there!); you cant be serious that i should have all options and items which i need for my build… The GOAL is (explain for the short minded ones): 5 different mode (2wf dps, s&b ac, full guard, anti caster, rogue), 74-75 unbuffed ac, tons of guards (yes i will be available to decrease my ac radically, because of the nearly perfect gear setup), more than 150 crit dmg on khopesh unbuffed when go to 2wf mode, apr. 55search/55dd, enough open lock to do all locks, 42 umd, 35-40 saves, 62 intimidate+hate aggro (when fix), 40 balance, 38/28/30/22/20/14 stats (with +2 tomes), fire/cold absorb full line, 48(block)-68(defiance)-78(titan) block dr, full spectrum of different gadgets etc. (it will be around 6month, depends on my RL. Yes i have!)


So not really professional judging sby about his/her build because still not get all of the stuff/don’t know all of the tactic in the US server, and just not really understand your ‘commands’(?)…and not so wise. Otherwise guild-slaves are pathetic there, just really can poison a game/ all of the fuss about who complete what 1st…


Dudes, i could list your members mistakes too, what did on some of my lfm-s…


Erhm about demands…
So, pls guys don’t forget to sign on lfm, that you are "so called uber guild"&friends when you moving again for any raid even i forgot to examine that (sorry in advance). Thanks for some of the completions, but i really not enjoy the raiding with you by the different opinions and some different ’standards’ amongst you (you can’t realize always harder to do stuffs alone than in a ‘pimped’ group and endless resources). Easier to just BLACKLIST me (if you still not did), so can avoid the similar problem in the future.Thats all.


Thanks in advance, and good luck!


And thanks to my friends for the patience and the well deserved common success ’sometimes’!
Hope you still enjoy the game!

[BurningDownTheHouse]

In before lock!

P.S. i would delete the guilds name if i were you, it's against forum rules to post names (now, lets see if this thread fulifils it's promise).

[Rasczak]

Sat that sucks man...I'm seeing a bit of a trend with certain attitudes but I can't complain. I've done a few things in my time that could be considered "questionable"

But it makes no difference..the guys can say and play however they want to...Took me 6 months to outfit Rasczak on Keeper and now he's overkill on ac and intimi. Keep at it and rather stick to people you enjoy playing with. You going to get the loads of different playstyles here so rather look out for the types you prefer.

[-Satureon-]

In before lock!

P.S. i would delete the guilds name if i were you, it's against forum rules to post names (now, lets see if this thread fulifils it's promise).

Modified!
Tx

[Demoyn]

- group builds versus my allaround (PvE,PvP,completionist,soloist,lowmanist,self-sufficient) opinion-> rolling a minmaxed barb or sorc or fvs or cle honestly not a big deal! Pump the main attribute to max (str for barb for example), pump the con too on casters/cle types and get the guild for the high end loot in 1 month. Congrats dudes, you are really uber, im so jealous!*sarcasm*

Actually, it sounds like you're EXTREMELY jealous, otherwise you wouldn't have taken the time to post this rant. Also, this game was intended to be a team game. Characters are just better in groups (which you obviously care about or wouldn't have joined the LFM) when they do their roles and try not to cross over into someone else's specialization.

[-Satureon-]

Actually, it sounds like you're EXTREMELY jealous, otherwise you wouldn't have taken the time to post this rant. Also, this game was intended to be a team game. Characters are just better in groups (which you obviously care about or wouldn't have joined the LFM) when they do their roles and try not to cross over into someone else's specialization.

Had before almost all of them in EU (especially minmaxed wiz and cle, deleted 2 wf barb etc.). Tried, tested, twinked, thanks not anymore... Why should i jealous?!
I could also ask the same to you: are you jealous when somebody can merge properly 2-3 class when his/her build is DONE?

[Demoyn]

Why should i jealous?!

I'm a game nerd, not a psychologist.

[Rasczak]

Don't see jealousy there. I do see arrogance though Not a bad thing though.

See when someone says they can do with their gimp what someone specialises in with theirs and then says they can do all this other stuff too...that's undermining the specialist gimps. Not jealousy at all. Jealousy means you want what the other person wants...Sat obviously does not want what they have

Problem is the amount of grind loot still missing...I would honestly say that you should maybe avoid certain roles until you sorted out on eq. With the potential DPS you can squeeze out there, maybe stick to a DPS tank until you get those opposition items and skill items sorted out

[-Satureon-]

I'm a game nerd, not a psychologist.

"Had before almost all of them in EU (especially minmaxed wiz and cle, deleted 2 wf barb etc.). Tried, tested, twinked, thanks not anymore... Why should i jealous?!"

This is my whole opinion if you just missed my previous post by reading only every 3 sentence...

[Robi3.0]

Oh man, if I were a cat curiosity would have killed me by now. Could you very pretty please PM me the man of the guild.

Thanks.

[Renegade66]

I'm having a bit of trouble following your post, but it appears that you are upset because you joined a VoD claiming to fill the role of Intim Tank then couldn't intim the boss, therefore, leaving the rest of the 11 people in the lurch. Furthermore, once failing as the intim, you were unable to contribute on the DPS side as evident by your use of a shield in that role which everyone outside of Smokey's Guild knows is a no-no. [editorial: I'm a big fan of Smokey's Guild. It keeps my 12 year old from bugging me to group with him].

Anyway, you join a raid, cannot fill your stated role then cannot contribute in any other capacity. In effect, you are actually worse than a pileon. A pileon comes into a party and no one has any preconceived notion that they will contribute, so assume they will not and plan accordingly. A pileon sneaking in stating they can handle a primary role shares the blame with the raid leader who rolled the dice on an unproven player in a key role.

I can only guess the guild, but if it were Legion for example I would expect them to educate you, by; 1) making it clear that it was uncool to claim a primary role then fail at it, 2) call you a gimp in front of the party to make sure you got the message, and 3) completing the raid without you so that when you join the next non-Legion VoD, pull the same stunt then wipe their party that you'll realize the gift you were given by the Legion raid leader.

[Visty]

I'm having a bit of trouble following your post, but it appears that you are upset because you joined a VoD claiming to fill the role of Intim Tank then couldn't intim the boss, therefore, leaving the rest of the 11 people in the lurch. Furthermore, once failing as the intim, you were unable to contribute on the DPS side as evident by your use of a shield in that role which everyone outside of Smokey's Guild knows is a no-no. [editorial: I'm a big fan of Smokey's Guild. It keeps my 12 year old from bugging me to group with him].

Anyway, you join a raid, cannot fill your stated role then cannot contribute in any other capacity. In effect, you are actually worse than a pileon. A pileon comes into a party and no one has any preconceived notion that they will contribute, so assume they will not and plan accordingly. A pileon sneaking in stating they can handle a primary role shares the blame with the raid leader who rolled the dice on an unproven player in a key role.

I can only guess the guild, but if it were Legion for example I would expect them to educate you, by; 1) making it clear that it was uncool to claim a primary role then fail at it, 2) call you a gimp in front of the party to make sure you got the message, and 3) completing the raid without you so that when you join the next non-Legion VoD, pull the same stunt then wipe their party that you'll realize the gift you were given by the Legion raid leader.

or the lfm didnt state that they are going to do hard, so he fails in his role cause he is not specced for hard yet, only for norm what the lfm said, at the entrance the guild decided otherwise, and give all the blame to him while they are the only to blame...

2 sides, dude, 2 sides

[Renegade66]

or the lfm didnt state that they are going to do hard, so he fails in his role cause he is not specced for hard yet, only for norm what the lfm said, at the entrance the guild decided otherwise, and give all the blame to him while they are the only to blame...

2 sides, dude, 2 sides

DPS = Good
Intim = Good
Build that claims to be an intim but cannot intim nor put out DPS = Gimp

Getting butt-hurt over being called a gimp when you are a gimp is his problem. Rightfully being called a gimp then using that as a means for improvement is the smarter reaction.

Notifying him that he has a gimp toon is doing him a favor.

[Memnir]

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[Visty]

DPS = Good
Intim = Good
Build that claims to be an intim but cannot intim nor put out DPS = Gimp

to add here:
Guild that does otherwise then advertised and blame other for fails = Gimp

[ayspam]

to add here:
Guild that does otherwise then advertised and blame other for fails = Gimp

We didnt fail, Sat is taking this a bit harsh on himself, noone in the group said anything about him being a gimp, all that was said, is that intim aint working so lets dps the grey chicken, it was a smooth run apart from that.

I know for a fact that he is a good player, with loads of experience, and also I know good gear takes a while to come by.

[Visty]

We didnt fail, Sat is taking this a bit harsh on himself, noone in the group said anything about him being a gimp, all that was said, is that intim aint working so lets dps the grey chicken, it was a smooth run apart from that.

I know for a fact that he is a good player, with loads of experience, and also I know good gear takes a while to come by.

that is a response i like
though the pseron who made it is abit gimpish

hey ay *Waves*

[ayspam]

that is a response i like
though the pseron who made it is abit gimpish

hey ay *Waves*

Look who s talking :P

[Plex1975]

Hi Visty m8

The lfm said hard, but I think the post is overreacted. Its wasnt a bad VoD run, seen a lot worse Much argueing could have been avoided if Sat had explained his temporary and minor lack of intimidate when joining, so the gap of expections could have been set right. Sat is an experienced player, lacking in equipment and therefore couldnt intimidate 100%, since he has just started on Thelanis.

/Plex

or the lfm didnt state that they are going to do hard, so he fails in his role cause he is not specced for hard yet, only for norm what the lfm said, at the entrance the guild decided otherwise, and give all the blame to him while they are the only to blame...

2 sides, dude, 2 sides

[Blackbird]

[Y]ou were unable to contribute on the DPS side as evident by your use of a shield in that role which everyone outside of Smokey's Guild knows is a no-no.

Slight off topic. I'm a little unclear about what you mean by "unable to contribute on the DPS side". I don't think that just because you use a shield it means you don't have DPS. If your statement is that you should not take the role of a main DPS tank if you plan on using a shield, then I probably will agree with you but I think there are easily cases where you can be a DPS tank with a shield (especially if you have hate generation). I think you can definitely meaningfully contribute to DPS with a shield.

Case in point (for the DPS/Hate tank with shield) - Tower of Despair. I have seen a Defender of Siberys paladin main tank Horoth with a shield without intim. We do it all the time. Hate generation easily makes up for the lower amount of DPS compared to a THF or TWF with a few modifications. My THF barb has also been main tank with DPS but I need at least 2 dedicated healers because of the amount of damage I take (versus the 1 non-spamming-heals healer needed for the DoS). I find it definitely takes a load off the healers and minimizes the fear of someone dropping and him healing. Very few absolutes in DDO as player skill and the variety of builds are major factors