Battlemage build 2

[Elidan123456]

new and improved

hi, this is my first build, the purpose of this built is to be able to deal some heavy damage while being able to remain alive in solo, the purpose is also to have fun, because spamming the left mouse button can get annoying on pure melee classes and for some people it's just not fun standing in the sidelines casting spells, not getting in on any of the action, so if I accomplished my goal then this is a build for a character that will do a high amount of damage, be self sufficient, and have fun. keep in mind this is my first build, in the beginning I totally forgot about enhancements so I only spent the points later on, try to ignore the sloppy order and look at the final product, when I actually make this character the order is going to be slightly different. also I would love it if some of the experts here could tell me what I could improve to make this build batter designed for its purpose.

oh and i forgot to mention, it's probably obvious from the build but i will tell you anyway, by the time the character get's about halfway into the game he/she should be able to use light armor (non robes) with no prob, the character uses greatswords for melee and most spells are instant cast damaging spells, there is however some extras cuse i could just choose so many spells.

thing is though, i don't know which spells are instant cast and which require a cast time, i purposely didn't do anything with concentration because i know some of those spells are instant cast. so if u see any spells that are not instant (which i am pretty sure some are) tell me please, and if there are enough important spells like that i will have ot remake character with much batter constitution.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(8 Fighter \ 12 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 260
Spell Points: 1295 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 8
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    17
Dexterity            12                    14
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             15                    20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                     2
Bluff                 2                     5
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             2                     5
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     5
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  1                     2
Intimidate            2                     5
Jump                  2                     7
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         1                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                     1
Spot                  0                     4
Swim                  2                     3
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      3                    12

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Spell (1): Burning Hands
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Jump I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I


Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Mage Armor
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Energy I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements I


Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (2): Scorching Ray
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Spell (2): Knock
Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II


Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Spell (3): Fireball
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (2): Scare
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility II


Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation III


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Critical
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (2): False Life
Spell (3): Sleet Storm
Spell (4): Phantasmal Killer
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold
Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration II


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation IV


Level 19 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (3): Deep Slumber
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (5): Waves of Fatigue
Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements II


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (6): Disintegrate
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III

[Kafanar]

Im not trying to burst ur bubble and there are plenty of batman builds but i dont really see this working out for you. Spells with a couple exceptions all have saving throws and you only being a level 12 caster everythings gonna make their saves. I have an 18 Sorc and use {as an example) disentigrate and it gets saved on alot even with a level 18 sorc. Scorching ray is the only spell i can think of off hand that has no save. You will be able to self buff but thats really all i see as useful about the build but i may be overlooking what would be useful about this build . Good Luck and Happy Travels

[Elidan123456]

Im not trying to burst ur bubble and there are plenty of batman builds but i dont really see this working out for you. Spells with a couple exceptions all have saving throws and you only being a level 12 caster everythings gonna make their saves. I have an 18 Sorc and use {as an example) disentigrate and it gets saved on alot even with a level 18 sorc. Scorching ray is the only spell i can think of off hand that has no save. You will be able to self buff but thats really all i see as useful about the build but i may be overlooking what would be useful about this build . Good Luck and Happy Travels

i was adviced to do 12 sorcerer and i have seen builds with as many caster levels that work pretty well.

looking at the spells i chose, can anyone tell me if i really need concentration?

[captain1z]

new and improved


Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(8 Fighter \ 12 Sorcerer)
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Spell (1): Burning Hands
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray



Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors


Spell (1): Mage Armor

Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Scorching Ray

Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Knock

Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Spell (3): Fireball


level 11
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (2): Scare




Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire




Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): False Life
Spell (3): Sleet Storm
Spell (4): Phantasmal Killer




Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold


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Level 19 (Sorcerer)

Spell (3): Deep Slumber
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (5): Waves of Fatigue

Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Spell (6): Disintegrate

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level 1 burning hands and niacs is what many take as spells anyway. less than 1/2 sec to cast

level 2 detect secret doors can be useful but can also be found on wands and other items. Its not worth a sorcs spell slot. instant cast

level 5 mage armor can be found much like detect secret doors..... useful spell but wands and items are too easy to find vs your few spell slots instant cast

level 6 scorching ray..... no save, good fire spell. when powered up it can do some serious damage. instant cast

level 8 knock... this spell is underpowered and I doubt with your limited number or sorc levels it will even work for you at all. caster level + 1d20 = open locks roll. at level 20 with 12 levels best roll possible is 32 which is barely good enough for some 8th or 9th level quests. I'd skip it. instant cast

level 9 fireball is not bad at this level but if you get creatures with evasion they will likely make thier saves.... learn when to and when not to. almost instant.

level 11 haste good spell obviously.... short duration but good when soloing. Scare is pretty useless tho...Id drop it.
haste is instant...,. not sure with scare.

level 13 wall of fire is good extra DOT. beware the spell becomes less usefull at higher levels as more creatures become immune to it. Almost instant casting time

level 15

sleet storm = more harm to your party than to your enemies. about 1-2 sec cast on a sorc
false life is a good spell almost instant
pk is instant but target gets a will save and a fort save .... with low dc's this spell will be useless to you. even more so at 15th level when you encounter spell resistance and you wont be able to get through it.

level 17 cone of cold is a good spell near instant

level 19

deep slumber affects 10 hd is a will save and needs to pass SR. It wont work for you at level 19
dimension door is a useful spell
waves of exhaustion is also a good spell


level 20 disintergrate is a good spell vs creatures with high sr or lots of resistance to elemental damage





as suggested above I would stick to self buffs or direct damage avoid spells with saves.

[Noctus]

i was adviced to do 12 sorcerer and i have seen builds with as many caster levels that work pretty well.

These builds are not "caster" builds, but rather melee builds who use the 12 caster levels for Buffing and Self-healing (due to being Warforged), and the occasional no-save damage spell.

With that many non-caster levels your offensive spellcasting power will be minimal. monsters will save against most of it, if you dont outright fail to break their Spell Resistance.


key to such a kind of Build is being Warforged and focusing mainly on buffing the group and your own melee abilities.

[Elidan123456]

the whole idea of a Battlemage is to fight and cast harmful spells, but since that won't work out, i guess i will go with something totally different, because just being a melee class with buffs is too boring for me

[Phidius]

the whole idea of a Battlemage is to fight and cast harmful spells, but since that won't work out, i guess i will go with something totally different, because just being a melee class with buffs is too boring for me

Nonsense... it works out beautifully. It just takes a bit more dedication than a "melee class" takes.

[Elidan123456]

Nonsense... it works out beautifully. It just takes a bit more dedication than a "melee class" takes.

some people are saying it will, some are saying it won't, i am not sure what to go with. why do u think it will work?

[Impaqt]

some people are saying it will, some are saying it won't, i am not sure what to go with. why do u think it will work?

It works. It just doesnt work the way you Envision it.

These builds are Melee FOcused self Buffers First and Foremost.

For damage they rely on spells that have no saving throw like Wall of Fire and Scorching ray.

If your willing to go this direction, the build can be adjusted. If not, then definitly go a different route.

[Elidan123456]

yeah, i am gonna go a different way

[Elidan123456]

oh and while i have the chance, i have a small question, i did not unlock monk, can i still use multiclass with a monk?

[captain1z]

oh and while i have the chance, i have a small question, i did not unlock monk, can i still use multiclass with a monk?

no.... its not available to you at all

[Elidan123456]

no.... its not available to you at all

=/ guess i should start racking up some rep

[captain1z]

=/ guess i should start racking up some rep

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