WF dr stacking

[zooble]

so i've heard WF dr stacks with stuff like fvs DR, monk DR

but does it stack with other things such as items?

eg:
DR 3/- item
DR 10/adamantite spell
DR 5/- bard song

[Ardkor]

so i've heard WF dr stacks with stuff like fvs DR, monk DR

but does it stack with other things such as items?

eg:
DR 3/- item
DR 10/adamantite spell
DR 5/- bard song

DR with the same bypass won't stack, only the best applies versus any given attack.

So in your example above, an axe blow that did 10 points of damage would be stopped by the 10/adamantine (that being the best that can resist the attack).

An *adamantine* axe doing 10 points of damage, however, would bypass the DR 10/adamantine you have. Instead it would do only 5 points of damage (because the bard song stops 5 physical damage from any source).

The DR 3/- item is totally useless if you have the bard song on you, they will not stack.

[zooble]

DR with the same bypass won't stack, only the best applies versus any given attack.

So in your example above, an axe blow that did 10 points of damage would be stopped by the 10/adamantine (that being the best that can resist the attack).

An *adamantine* axe doing 10 points of damage, however, would bypass the DR 10/adamantine you have. Instead it would do only 5 points of damage (because the bard song stops 5 physical damage from any source).

The DR 3/- item is totally useless if you have the bard song on you, they will not stack.

sorry for the confusion but i meant

wf dr + bard song
wf dr + spell
wf dr + items
etc
etc

[Dungnmaster001]

sorry for the confusion but i meant

wf dr + bard song
wf dr + spell
wf dr + items
etc
etc

WF DR is x/Adamantine.

Different types of DR do not stack, they overlap.

Similar types of DR don't stack either, the highest number applies.

Bard song is /- so anything that bypasses the WF DR will be stopped by this.

The spell DR is /adamantine so if it's better than the WF DR it will apply (not stack).

Items vary, some are /- some are like axeblock, hammerblock, and spearblock and only apply against the particular type of damage.

edit: also you mentioned in your OP that you heard that monk and FvS DR stacked with WF DR. Don't know where you heard this but it's incorrect as far as I know. Monk for example is dr /epic so will overlap but not stack with /adamantine.

[ranagrande]

The capstone for a FvS of the Lord of Blades (WF only) is an additional DR 10/adamantine that stacks with any the Warforged already has.

[AylinIsAwesome]

The capstone for a FvS of the Lord of Blades (WF only) is an additional DR 10/adamantine that stacks with any the Warforged already has.

Correct.

You can get that pretty high, with 2 from Adamantine Body, 3 more from enhancements, and 10 more from getting to level 20.


You can also pump that even more by getting a few WF Improved DR feats.

Though at that point you've gimped yourself by not getting GTHF/GTWF if you're melee, or Maximize/Extend/Empower, ect for your spells if you're a nuker (add Empower Healing if you're a healer first).

And even then you'd need to pick up Heavy Armor Prof...


And yeah, not worth it.

[Twerpp]

Correct.

You can get that pretty high, with 2 from Adamantine Body, 3 more from enhancements, and 10 more from getting to level 20.


You can also pump that even more by getting a few WF Improved DR feats.

Though at that point you've gimped yourself by not getting GTHF/GTWF if you're melee, or Maximize/Extend/Empower, ect for your spells if you're a nuker (add Empower Healing if you're a healer first).

And even then you'd need to pick up Heavy Armor Prof...


And yeah, not worth it.

Nah, for some reason you dont. Maybe they consider it like natural armor since as a first level only feat you are "born" with it.

[Nuckoholic]

Correct.

You can get that pretty high, with 2 from Adamantine Body, 3 more from enhancements, and 10 more from getting to level 20.


You can also pump that even more by getting a few WF Improved DR feats.

Though at that point you've gimped yourself by not getting GTHF/GTWF if you're melee, or Maximize/Extend/Empower, ect for your spells if you're a nuker (add Empower Healing if you're a healer first).

And even then you'd need to pick up Heavy Armor Prof...


And yeah, not worth it.

The WF Improved DR are enhancements, not feats, so you don't gimp yourself. If you're a WF FVS you can still take Adamantine body, Power Attack, Toughness, Quicken, Maximize, Extend, Empower. Then you could take all the DR enhancements for a total 15 DR/adamantine at endgame. If you want some better healing then lose 2 DR and swap out adamantine body for Empower healing.

On the other hand, as WF, you gimp yourself if you take GTHF/GTWF, because melee ability is good enough and you would be sacrificing the metamagic feats.

And what's this about heavy armor? No idea what you're talking about because a WF FVS is not supposed to have good ac (and doesn't need it anyway). My guess is that you either haven't tried playing a WF FVS yet, or you haven't built one correctly.

[Dungnmaster001]

The WF Improved DR are enhancements, not feats

Actually there are improved DR feats as well.

edit: and he mentiond heavy armor proficiency because he (mistakenly) thought you needed it to use adamantine body.

[unbongwah]

What about a WF barbarian? Does barb DR & WF DR stack, or is it again just the highest one applies?

Speaking of armor, n00b question: if you take Adamantine Body and play a class without Heavy Armor proficiency (e.g., barb, FvS, etc.), do you take the -4 non-proficiency penalty from your own body?

[bobbryan2]

DR does not stack.

FvS is a pretty special case that proves the rule.

[Bosco]

so i've heard WF dr stacks with stuff like fvs DR, monk DR

but does it stack with other things such as items?

eg:
DR 3/- item
DR 10/adamantite spell
DR 5/- bard song

It is kind of confusing based on what has been written. Allow me to clarify.

DR 3/ - does not stack with WF Adamantine DR, only the highest number applies.

In the case of stoneskin spell only the highest will apply.

In terms of FVS it does stack with the enhancement, and addy feats.

So casting stoneskin on a 20 WF FVS is a waist of spellpoints.

[Dungnmaster001]

What about a WF barbarian? Does barb DR & WF DR stack, or is it again just the highest one applies?

Speaking of armor, n00b question: if you take Adamantine Body and play a class without Heavy Armor proficiency (e.g., barb, FvS, etc.), do you take the -4 non-proficiency penalty from your own body?

No, WF DR is x/Adamantine, Barb DR is x/- different types do not stack but will overlap.

And WF are always considered proficient in their body armor. Though it is still considered heavy armor for things like evasion and monk centeredness.

[unbongwah]

OK, gotcha - that's what I thought, just wanted to be sure. Thanks!