Our guild chugs a +6 Pack of Awesomesauce!

[Hamson]

Wow, you made a double post just to insult a person who maturely expressed his opinion on your application procces. How awesome is that? You claim yourselves to be a laid back cool guild, yet you rage here like a nerd whose character got pwned in WoW. If you can't take constructive criticism then you shouldn't be posting your ad on this forum, rather post it on your guild forum so you get lots of fanbois responses about how your guild is awesome.

And one more thing

New members, heed this well: if you are the kind of pathetic drama-twinkie that would take the time and effort to double post a diss of a persons opinion just because YOU personally didn't approve, then you seriously are the kind of person we are interested in running with.

There, fixed it for ya.

[TitanIapetus]

Wow, thanks Dao. You left me with absolutely nothing left to say... As if I really had anything particularly intellegent in mind in the first place.

But I will say that this guy is extremely sensitive or he had the wrong website...

Either way tis all good. We are chuggin' right along, we put the hurtin' on the DQ this last weekend for the first time (as a guild). On our first try! (Ok, well it was like the 7th try but hey, we did it.) Stop on by drop off an app and join in the fun! (Masochistic raid attempts.)

[DaoJones]

Wow, you made a double post just to insult a person who maturely expressed his opinion on your application procces.

To-may-to, to-mah-to.

[HuntGod]

Wow, you made a double post just to insult a person who maturely expressed his opinion on your application procces. How awesome is that? You claim yourselves to be a laid back cool guild, yet you rage here like a nerd whose character got pwned in WoW. If you can't take constructive criticism then you shouldn't be posting your ad on this forum, rather post it on your guild forum so you get lots of fanbois responses about how your guild is awesome.

So if he'd remembered to post it the first time...or thought to use the edit function (there is an edit function DAO, you pwned wowtard), you wouldn't have made this post?

Not sure how constructive that nebulous criticism was...right up there with saying "the government should do something about health care".

Lucid clear constructive criticism is ALWAYS welcome at the Unrepentant...whiny attacks from an obvious reject of the process aren't.

Posting this to our recruitment thread was the move of a (feminine hygiene product, apparently that other word is censored) or a tool...maybe a (same feminine hygiene product) tool.

Defending it...well not sure why you would defend it, or possibly consider it constructive.

I will say I am sorely disappointed in DAO, he is off his game, because that rebuttal was pretty weak :-P

Lastly, our COMMUNITY is pretty awesome, you don't have to be a fanboi to realize that...you do have to be a member.

[DaoJones]

I will say I am sorely disappointed in DAO, he is off his game, because that rebuttal was pretty weak :-P

Trying to be polite.

Plus, seriously? This first dude came into our recruitment thread to whine, and then this Hambone dude who has no stake in the discussion at all came in to defend the first dude?

It's just shades of creepy, man. I felt like if I engaged Hamhock he'd be the kind of dude that Google searches where I live, and posts pictures of himself standing outside my apartment while I sleep. (I live on the second floor, so he'll have to settle for pictures from the patio outside my living room.)

Anyway, I figured it was best to just skirt around possibly enticing Lambchop's weird stalker tendencies any further.

And for the record, I realized I could have edited the first post after I had already submitted the second post. And since I can't delete the second post, I'm kinda stuck with my double-posting shame.

[HuntGod]

It's just shades of creepy, man. I felt like if I engaged Hamhock he'd be the kind of dude that Google searches where I live, and posts pictures of himself standing outside my apartment while I sleep.

Sounds like U material to me :-)

And I know you know how to use the edit button...was just trying to illustrate we razz each other just like we do the apps.

[Hamson]

I don't see any whiny attack. That "first dude" just told you his opinion on your apps. I see no whining because of rejection as you constantly claim it to be. And I would have probably still made the post, even if that guy of yours hadn't have made the double post. The reason I made it is that the first guy of yours decently replied to that guy that it probbly isn't for him etc. Then, this fanboi comes around and starts tossing insults on him. I mean, why?

And btw, this is public forum, everyone in here has a stake in the discussion. If you don't like it, don't make a thread here.

PS: And yeah, I know where you live, I know what kind of donuts you're into, I know when you get up, what you do the whole day and when you go back to bed, and with whom as well. So think twice before you post a reply!

[William_the_Bat]

True enough, this thread is verging into the "get the popcorn" area.

But if nothing else, this latest exchange has inspired HuntGod to coin the phrase "pwned wowtard".

I have a feeling we're going to see a lot of that one... and it's going to be almost as amusing the 437th time as it was the first time.

Incidentally, I've always felt there's an art to -really- advanced trolling. The stealth trolls, the condescending "I'm sorry you are such an idiot" move, the "I'm totally above all this name calling" ploy, there's a lot of ways to go for the true master flamer.

HuntGod shows definite promise, but Dao did appear to be off his game. (grin)

[Menethenes]

Just a couple thoughts.

First, no I didnt post an application that was rejected. I was being honest when I said that we spent some time reading the applications, especially the ones that were rejected. I was being truthful when I said we were GOING to fill out apps but changed our minds when we saw how harshly some of the applicants were treated.

Listen, I understand some of the negative reaction. Im a stranger who came onto your guild thread and kinda hijacked it briefly, saying some unpleasent things and offending some of you. Some of you probably felt blindsided and were wondering, who the bleep is this joker coming onto OUR thread and saying those things? And why would he bother posting what he did unless he was rejected and just angry?

I get it. The responses are predictable under those circumstances. "Hes a whiner." "Hes a troll." "You gotta be petty and narcissistic." The instinctive reaction is to belittle the person, tear down thier credibility to bolster your own argument. Although to be fair, the very first response from your founder was none of that, it was decent and thought out. Thanks for that. Some of the other replies, however, just seemed to solidify our initial perception of your guild, unfortunately.

But I still stand by what I said. We really were excited by what we read about your guild, and motivated enough to carefully read your forums. We are picky about what guilds we join in games, simply because when we join, we are extremely loyal and involved, we participate and take the responsibility seriously.

I guess thats why I was so weirded out by some of the things we saw and read on the forums. For example, on one of the rejected application threads, one of your guildies posted a picture of guys asleep at a table to emphasize just how bored they were with the application. ***? Really? Was that necessary? It seemed like a perfect example of exactly the kind of mentality we DONT look for in a guild. Who would want to be a part of a community that ridicules those who dont make the grade? As my GF observed, feels more like a frat then anything else. Which may be a compliment or an insult, depending on your outlook.

I guess what I would hope is that you step out of the fraternity bubble for a sec and maybe think about how you treat others. Im sure theres some great people in your guild, but we just didnt see much of them on the forums. But in any case, we arent here to flame or tear down your guild, we just saw some stuff that really bothered us and felt a need to say something about it.

We'll continue our search for a great guild to join, and good luck to you in your travels!

[HuntGod]

I just can't resist a good troll...sigh.

Just a couple thoughts.

First, no I didnt post an application that was rejected. I was being honest when I said that we spent some time reading the applications, especially the ones that were rejected. I was being truthful when I said we were GOING to fill out apps but changed our minds when we saw how harshly some of the applicants were treated.

You can make that assertion all you like, coming to our recruitment thread is petty, no other way to really characterize it. In general, that type of pettiness is illicited by rejection, so my assertion is, you did apply and were rejected. I believe my assertion is more consistent with the situation than yours. I also love the repeated need to stress that you have a girlfriend...

Listen, I understand some of the negative reaction. Im a stranger who came onto your guild thread and kinda hijacked it briefly, saying some unpleasent things and offending some of you. Some of you probably felt blindsided and were wondering, who the bleep is this joker coming onto OUR thread and saying those things? And why would he bother posting what he did unless he was rejected and just angry?

I didn't find anything you posted unpleasant or offensive, it was 100% accurate, what I found irritating, and continue to be bugged by, is the implication that there is something faulty in our app process and that we are not the guild we present ourselves to be, which is completely inaccurate. I am honestly amazed we don't have more rejected players doing this...so no I was not blindsided.

Why would you bother posting to our recruitment thread, other than an attempt to dissuade people from taking the next step and looking at our forums to make their own determination...seems petty to me.

I get it. The responses are predictable under those circumstances. "Hes a whiner." "Hes a troll." "You gotta be petty and narcissistic." The instinctive reaction is to belittle the person, tear down thier credibility to bolster your own argument. Although to be fair, the very first response from your founder was none of that, it was decent and thought out. Thanks for that. Some of the other replies, however, just seemed to solidify our initial perception of your guild, unfortunately.

Of course the responses are predictable, doesn't mean they are not accurate. You are a whiner and a troll, the post itself is petty, I wouldn't call you narcissistic...

Accurately identifying the nature or reasons behind a post does indeed bolster the strength of the opposing argument, that's how a debate or argument works. There was no actual factual content in your post to be disputed, so the only area of debate was the reason you posted it.

Dao's rants are usually more cogent and entertaining, for that I do apologize, I think he's getting old.

But I still stand by what I said. We really were excited by what we read about your guild, and motivated enough to carefully read your forums. We are picky about what guilds we join in games, simply because when we join, we are extremely loyal and involved, we participate and take the responsibility seriously.

We are picky about who we take, you are picky about who you join...seems to me that's the way it should be. Again coming to our thread and criticizing our process is petty, though you of course have every right to do so...

I guess thats why I was so weirded out by some of the things we saw and read on the forums. For example, on one of the rejected application threads, one of your guildies posted a picture of guys asleep at a table to emphasize just how bored they were with the application. ***? Really? Was that necessary? It seemed like a perfect example of exactly the kind of mentality we DONT look for in a guild. Who would want to be a part of a community that ridicules those who dont make the grade? As my GF observed, feels more like a frat then anything else. Which may be a compliment or an insult, depending on your outlook.

A post of a sleeping dude, seems a humorous and on point way of prodding the applicant that maybe their app is boring...do you want to hang out with boring people? I don't...

If that is the kind of behavior you AREN'T looking for in a guild, then great, the process worked, because people that are so thin skinned to find that offensive are not folk I want to deal with on a daily basis.

In the REJECTED apps where you saw this, what was the reaction of the applicant? Did they whine, or nerdrage, or did they say "oh, well here is something interesting about me"...if they did the first two they belong in the REJECTED section, if they did the third then they probably weren't.

If that is the most egregious abuse you saw in our rejected apps, you didn't look very hard...

I guess what I would hope is that you step out of the fraternity bubble for a sec and maybe think about how you treat others. Im sure theres some great people in your guild, but we just didnt see much of them on the forums. But in any case, we arent here to flame or tear down your guild, we just saw some stuff that really bothered us and felt a need to say something about it.

Our current model has grown our community over the last two years to participating in around a dozen games with an active membership off around 400+ people...and with a very few exception I'd have a drink with most all of them, which is pretty darn amazing.

You are most definitely here to belittle our apping process and dissuade people from checking out our forums. If you had been interested in actually addressing our app process (which is a pretty darn presumptuous thing to do) you would have done it on our forums and not in this public venue.

We'll continue our search for a great guild to join, and good luck to you in your travels!

Do PETA, Greenpeace or the NAACP have a guild? You might like those better, they are more considerate of peoples feelings and pretty much take anyone...

[HuntGod]

I don't see any whiny attack. That "first dude" just told you his opinion on your apps. I see no whining because of rejection as you constantly claim it to be.

I'm not sure how you don't characterize his OP as a whine...also his assertion is that he wasn't rejected, mine is that he was...not really sure how you prove or disprove that. I believe his behavior is far more consistent with a jilted applicant that a "looking out for the community" individual.

And I would have probably still made the post, even if that guy of yours hadn't have made the double post. The reason I made it is that the first guy of yours decently replied to that guy that it probbly isn't for him etc. Then, this fanboi comes around and starts tossing insults on him. I mean, why?

Pwned WoWtard, not a fanboi...well this is a public forum and everyone has a stake here, if you don't like it, don't participate in the thread.

And btw, this is public forum, everyone in here has a stake in the discussion. If you don't like it, don't make a thread here.

I've never understood people falling back on this, it is a public forum, not sure how that precludes us from disputing someone who comes to the thread with an obvious attempt to besmirch our community and dissuade people from visiting our forums. It is public, if you come here an post things that we take umbrage at, by the same token we will respond...it being public doesn't mean you can come here criticize us and our process then not be held accountable for it...

PS: And yeah, I know where you live, I know what kind of donuts you're into, I know when you get up, what you do the whole day and when you go back to bed, and with whom as well. So think twice before you post a reply!

Could you grab some beer and extra large condoms next time you come over? Thanks!

[Carat]

It's good to see you had an interest in the community and even went to the website for a little research. As you've seen by the posts, some of The U are very passionate about the group. Posts such as yours are brought back to the community and discussed to see if we need to make changes. Had you carried through with the application and been approved, you would have seen the community website in larger detail. I think you would have been impressed once you got in.

Our application gets rewritten every 3-4 months but the main intent has always been to maintain our credo of openness, fun and community. What does a make believe zombie survival plan have to do with DDO? Your most embarassing story you're willing to share? Absolutely nothing. But not having the imagination or energy to complete it? It tends to show that the applicant is not a good fit for our group.

This is DDO and we're recruiting DDO players, but the end goal is to recruit good natured people into the community. We play, have fun, make new friends and travel across multiple MMO genres. We hope that every applicant turns out to be a future leader of the new XYZ MMO Branch. That's why we have the application - we get to know every applicant a bit before they get into the community - our guild in DDO is just a sub of this. As the others put a bit more passionately, thanks for your interest.

We have always been open to input from applicants, regardless good or bad. We provide access to a limited portion of the site for applicants specifically for this reason - you could've posted there and called us all kinds of narcissistic names that get filtered here. You might have even changed the community for the better.

But coming into the open forum to vent about an app process was offside. Regardless of what guild you find in DDO, coming to the DDO forums to vent about guild policy or decision won't help your cause. If you need any other info, feel free to PM me or any other Unrepentant DDO officers to discuss. Back to our previously scheduled recruiting thread.

[DaoJones]

For the curious bystanders who wonder what "extremely personal information" we're rudely demanding of our applicants, I shall repeat here the questions that we ask of applicants that might verge into the "personal":

1. Tell us the story of the dumbest, funniest or most embarrassing thing you've ever done

One of the current applicants told us about how he got the Japanese staff at the school where he teaches English (in Japan, natch) to sing "I'm a Little Tea Pot". No one asked for more, because that's a great story. Wow! Such painfully personal information! Its like we're dating his mother!

2. What is your Zombie Plan?

Unless your zombie plan involves deeply personal moments with your family and loved ones, I think you're in the clear here.

3. Tell us something cool about yourself that has nothing to do with gaming

Note how open this question is! One guy makes balloon art, and posted pictures. He actually made a balloon art model of our mascot Uey. He was immediately approved and made a member. All this question requires is that you prove to us that there's something to you beyond just "gaming gaming gaming"; if I'm sitting in vent with you, and ALL you can talk about is the game we're playing, I'm going to get super bored of you really fast. We wish to recruit people with a more diverse discussion palate, as it were.

4. If you were us, why would you vote you into The U?

We added this in to weed out the slackers who submitted crappy apps.

We then ask your favorite music, book, movie, and non-MMO game.

So yeah, Menethenes, I did find your curious post here rather petty, because in fact we ask ZERO personal information about applicants beyond the kind of information you'd share at a party with strangers. We don't ask your exact age (just "over 18?"), we don't ask if you have a family or kids; hell - we don't even ask your gender! Many of us are family types, or work in sensitive arenas (business, military, public sector), so we understand that not everyone wants to share profound personal information about themselves, and we don't ask it.

End of the day, here's exactly what happened: you misunderstood our application, our recruitment process, and our community. That's fine - we don't need to win over everyone. But the *minute* you came here and felt the need to **** on us publicly - which is *exactly* what you did when you came here to our recruitment thread and decided to bash us - you indicated how woefully ignorant you are about us, and truthfully how much you do not belong in our community. What you did here was childish and petty of the highest order. Had you simply PM'd one of us to express your concerns we could have allayed or addressed them. Instead, you planted this cheap drama in our thread that all future applicants will now read.

I suppose we should thank you, as I said before. People may read your trite complaints and feel uncomfortable applying. That's good for us, because people with thin skins and overinflated opinions about themselves* are not welcome in The U.

To Hambone: the ability to comment on matters of which you are ignorant of and are not your concern is definitely yours, but I might suggest that simply being able to do something is not a compelling argument that you should do that thing.

FYI: balloon art representation of our mascot Uey: http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/DSC02208.jpg



* Other than me, but I was grandfathered in back when we were allowing people with overinflated opinions of themselves.

[VS-Angel]

I am a new member of The Unrepentant and I wanted to toss my 2 cents into the mix. Like many, my interest was grabbed instantly by how the guild was advertised. The members had a flair about them, and I know I will probably be thrashed for saying that, seemed very different and mostly like a fun bunch of people. I work full time, have a family and other responsibilities in my life and want to be around fun people in my free time. When I do play, I don't want to be around people who take themselves and everything else too seriously.

Anyway, I put in my initial application. Admittedly, it was a bit unnerving, for they do analyze, criticize and prod you for more details during the process. However, I decided to see it through, and I realized they were trying to find out if I was a fit for them. Honestly, I can appreciate them taking interest and taking the time to screen their members. I do not want to be part of a group that just lets anyone in and is desperate for members. The people that do make it through the application process are definitely people you will enjoy playing with. So I have to say their application process works.

So far I have grouped with many of them, they are helpful, open minded and fun to be around. I am proud to be a member.

Ultimately, if you are unwilling to give a little, you won't get very far. A guild is a two way street. It is not only about what a guild can offer you, but what you are willing to contribute to it. If you expect to offer nothing and reap the benefits, you will be disappointed.

Anyway, if you aren't asleep by now... feel free to check us out if interested!

<insert man sleeping image her from application thread> Goes to look for it

P.S. The balloon Uey is awesome!

[William_the_Bat]

I knew you guys had it in you!

Now -that- is flaming prowess in action! (grin)

Btw, unless I'm mistaken, I think someone there complained about someone else complaining that you shouldn't complain about complainers.

Seriously, guys, it doesn't get much better than that without an actual sex scandal.

Someone pass the awesomesauce!

[William_the_Bat]

Are we guild level 26 yet? We've got to be close.

I hear that once we hit 30 we get double shots of awesomesauce!

[Butterknifeninja]

I knew you guys had it in you!

Now -that- is flaming prowess in action! (grin)

Btw, unless I'm mistaken, I think someone there complained about someone else complaining that you shouldn't complain about complainers.

Seriously, guys, it doesn't get much better than that without an actual sex scandal.

Someone pass the awesomesauce!

Actually there was that thing with Teseus and the Hill Giant. It was filmed in night vision and the quality was **** but he's been walking funny for the last few days so I kinda believe it...

[DaoJones]

Pictures of our sexy new Stormglory Bolt:

Exterior: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...nShot00004.jpg

Interior: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...nShot00007.jpg

Do you wish you could roll in that sweet ride, but don't know how to get started? Grab your bling and pimp cane, click on our recruitment link, and show us you're the kind of classy cat we want to hang with.

[HuntGod]

I like the boat, but everytime I get a drink at the bar, I end up waking up the next day with my pants missing...

[rieal82]

I like the boat, but everytime I get a drink at the bar, I end up waking up the next day with my pants missing...

that cuzz your getting way to drink and trying to have your way with carlosthe training dummy. im still amazed you dont have more splinters down there