Sorc in Endgame, Reconstruct bot?

[Daiur]

Hey there,

my Sorc has been Lev 20 and Raiding for awhile now. If a WF Tank is in a Hound Raid, sure I Reconstruct him all the time and am fine with it.

The problem I have encountered recently in normal Quest PUGs, is the following:

At some point or another its a save bet that a WF Barb/Fighter/Melee joins the group.
Usually those people do not have Healers friend enhancement line, so its usually:
"Sorc watches WF, Cleric takes the fleshie".

I had stopped playing my Mid Level Cleric as I got sick of watching Health Bars the whole quest. Sure, if I see a Wf drop too low and the Healer is obvisouly busy, I Reconstruct- but I feel that throwing CC in Shavrath helps the group much more than simply watching one or two Barbs Health bars.
The problem is, without quicken, if I try to combine the both it usually ends with some flames.

So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?
Being told things like: "Just Reconstruct me, its the efficientest way to use your sp", is really a bother.
And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more... I am currently at the point that I don't join PUGs with WF in it. I rolled my sorc to have fun, not to be the healer for people who dont go Healers friend enhancement (something i think should count as broken built on ANY melee/heavy healdepending class).

Oppinions? Am I just overreacting or smth?

[Alyiakal]

And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more...

Funny... this is how I feel about clerics too (although granted, in raids, sometimes you do need someone watching the bars full time).

[Zereth501]

The clerics have the exact same complaint.

I think that having a class depends on another for healing is a bad design idea that has plagged MMO for too long. I'd love to see one where everyone can do his own healing.

[Bunker]

Hey there,

my Sorc has been Lev 20 and Raiding for awhile now. If a WF Tank is in a Hound Raid, sure I Reconstruct him all the time and am fine with it.

The problem I have encountered recently in normal Quest PUGs, is the following:

At some point or another its a save bet that a WF Barb/Fighter/Melee joins the group.
Usually those people do not have Healers friend enhancement line, so its usually:
"Sorc watches WF, Cleric takes the fleshie".

I had stopped playing my Mid Level Cleric as I got sick of watching Health Bars the whole quest. Sure, if I see a Wf drop too low and the Healer is obvisouly busy, I Reconstruct- but I feel that throwing CC in Shavrath helps the group much more than simply watching one or two Barbs Health bars.
The problem is, without quicken, if I try to combine the both it usually ends with some flames.

So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?
Being told things like: "Just Reconstruct me, its the efficientest way to use your sp", is really a bother.
And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more... I am currently at the point that I don't join PUGs with WF in it. I rolled my sorc to have fun, not to be the healer for people who dont go Healers friend enhancement (something i think should count as broken built on ANY melee/heavy healdepending class).

Oppinions? Am I just overreacting or smth?

Is your sorc a WF? If yes, you should be taken out back and shot.

Most WF sorcs/wiz will sacrafice a lvl 6 spell slot to carry reconstruct. As for non-WF sorcerers, I would not expect them to carry the spell, but if they do, even better for the WF comrads.

Simply, if you are a WF, then be a WF. None of this,boo hoo hoo crying over having to heal another WF if you are one in the first place. Dude, you are a sorc, you have over 2500 sp. Reconstruct costs 35 (iirc).

In conclusion, if you are a WF sorc, best ask yourself why you chose that race in the first place. My WF sorc would roll over in his grave knowing that other WF sorcerers out there could be as stingy with thier sp.

There are many great duos in Stormreach, and some might say the WF tank/WF sorc is the best. So embrace your WF brothers, step up to the front of the line and take notice of not what seems like a pain, but rather the power.

[epochofcrepuscule]

Is your sorc a WF? If yes, you should be taken out back and shot.

Most WF sorcs/wiz will sacrafice a lvl 6 spell slot to carry reconstruct. As for non-WF sorcerers, I would not expect them to carry the spell, but if they do, even better for the WF comrads.

Simply, if you are a WF, then be a WF. None of this,boo hoo hoo crying over having to heal another WF if you are one in the first place. Dude, you are a sorc, you have over 2500 sp. Reconstruct costs 35 (iirc).

In conclusion, if you are a WF sorc, best ask yourself why you chose that race in the first place. My WF sorc would roll over in his grave knowing that other WF sorcerers out there could be as stingy with thier sp.

There are many great duos in Stormreach, and some might say the WF tank/WF sorc is the best. So embrace your WF brothers, step up to the front of the line and take notice of not what seems like a pain, but rather the power.

You never said anything about him not being a WF sorc. It is okay though, I will sum it up.

Get to level 20 asap, then TR into a WF sorc. Problem solved, you now dont need to pug ever. Maybe with a wf tank, but only if he grabbed improved fort as a feat. Otherwise he is close enough to being a fleshy so forget about him.

[Zombiekenny]

On my wiz I will reconstruct situationally, but I don't let anyone know that I have that option (fleshy so having the spell isn't a given) unless it is needed, as I don't generally watch healthbars, so people will probably die if they rely on it. Its very rare that I get asked to watch people's health, and when I do its generally a situation where it is the best thing to do, so I was already doing it in addition to doing other fun stuff.
Just cause you need to repair someone every now and then doesn't mean you can't kill/cc to. It just means that you need to glance at someone's health every now and again.

Also keep in mind that when you toss that spell on a WF it makes them do stuff faster. If theres a WF in a fight, whether the cleric has asked for help or not, try to fix him up the first time its needed just so stuff dies faster. It saves the cleric SP, and it helps the party out.

[Daiur]

Is your sorc a WF? If yes, you should be taken out back and shot.

Most WF sorcs/wiz will sacrafice a lvl 6 spell slot to carry reconstruct. As for non-WF sorcerers, I would not expect them to carry the spell, but if they do, even better for the WF comrads.

Simply, if you are a WF, then be a WF. None of this,boo hoo hoo crying over having to heal another WF if you are one in the first place. Dude, you are a sorc, you have over 2500 sp. Reconstruct costs 35 (iirc).

In conclusion, if you are a WF sorc, best ask yourself why you chose that race in the first place. My WF sorc would roll over in his grave knowing that other WF sorcerers out there could be as stingy with thier sp.

There are many great duos in Stormreach, and some might say the WF tank/WF sorc is the best. So embrace your WF brothers, step up to the front of the line and take notice of not what seems like a pain, but rather the power.

Yes I am sure I am just lacking your skills in healing two WFs (three with me) with a CD spell, doing CC and pumping out Damage at the same time. I did ask a question in a reasonable manner and it would be nice to get a reasonable answer to it, not one like yours thanks anyways for some parts of it.
I am sure you are overly joyed when you're on a nuke built, join a group and the first thing said is: Now we don't need a healer, we got a reconstructer?

Cause those are the Things that I mean.

[Bunker]

Yes I am sure I am just lacking your skills in healing two WFs (three with me) with a CD spell, doing CC and pumping out Damage at the same time. I did ask a question in a reasonable manner and it would be nice to get a reasonable answer to it, not one like yours thanks anyways for some parts of it.
I am sure you are overly joyed when you're on a nuke built, join a group and the first thing said is: Now we don't need a healer, we got a reconstructer?

My response has nothing to do with my skill, or yours. But if you want a more simple answer, then here it is....

So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?

No

Am I just overreacting or smth?

Yes

......now my additional information. If it was me, and I'm on a WF sorc, and the other WF melee in the party asks if you can recon. them......Try saying smth like this: "Hellz Yeah I Can Reconstruct Ya. WOOT, we are going to kick so Fleshie Arse!!!!!"

And then ask yourself why it is seems such a bother to you? Is it really that big of a deal?

[Daiur]

Like I said with the amount of WF in Pugs nowadays its not the "throw a reconstruct a time or two" but basically taking the role of a nearly Mainhealer.

geeze I was even asked in a PUG why I didnt have massreconstruct spells

And its just that currently I feel reduced to ONLY reconstruction.

[Zombiekenny]

Like I said with the amount of WF in Pugs nowadays its not the "throw a reconstruct a time or two" but basically taking the role of a nearly Mainhealer.

geeze I was even asked in a PUG why I didnt have massreconstruct spells

And its just that currently I feel reduced to ONLY reconstruction.

Then say "I can try to backup heal the WF as need be situationally, but I am not repair specced, and I do not have a lot of spells to repair, so I won't be able to primary-heal them."
Try to communicate instead of getting irritated.

[Kriogen]

...So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?
Being told things like: "Just Reconstruct me, its the efficientest way to use your sp", is really a bother.
And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more... I am currently at the point that I don't join PUGs with WF in it. I rolled my sorc to have fun, not to be the healer for people who dont go Healers friend enhancement (something i think should count as broken built on ANY melee/heavy healdepending class).

Oppinions? Am I just overreacting or smth?

There are days when I have a feeling that thats DDO devs Master plan: Warriors fight, Blue Bar chars heal and buff Warriors.

It is like you said, because Casters can't really nuke. Warriors are primary source of damage. Barbs out-DPS a Sorc. Haste really is the most profitable source of damage.

If casters could really Nuke, then it would be: WF Figther protect Sorcerer, Sorc does damage, ...

Hmm, DDOs Nuke build is called Beserker Barbarian. I don't like, but thats the way it is. If it would be my way, Barb would be DPS and Sorc would be DPS. Different, but equal.

The only good thing is that you can solo anything with the exception of Raids. That WF barb/fighter can't solo much. You (sorc) don't need anyone for 99% of content, but it's also true, that you (sorc) are not needed for that last 1%. Arcanes are not really needed in raids.

DDO does a couple of things different. Maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, but it is what it is.

[Bunker]

Then say "I can try to backup heal the WF as need be situationally, but I am not repair specced, and I do not have a lot of spells to repair, so I won't be able to primary-heal them."
Try to communicate instead of getting irritated.

I agree with the whole communication part. That is the way to roll in Stormreach when grouped in a Pug. However, if you are a WF sorc and you have reconstruct, that is the definition of repair specced.

[Mentor61]

I agree with the whole communication part. That is the way to roll in Stormreach when grouped in a Pug. However, if you are a WF sorc and you have reconstruct, that is the definition of repair specced.

Bunk,what you're missing is he's fed up with being a healer,whether he actually plays one or his sorc.I too was in the same boat,one of the main reasons i TR'd into a human.Fed up with being the nanny,a Sorc is nuking not a healer.That's why I went 1-20 solo on my wf caster,so i don't have to carry some dead weight that needs constant healing.

When i play a caster it's to kjeal not hjeal.

[Bunker]

Bunk,what you're missing is he's fed up with being a healer,whether he actually plays one or his sorc.I too was in the same boat,one of the main reasons i TR'd into a human.Fed up with being the nanny,a Sorc is nuking not a healer.That's why I went 1-20 solo on my wf caster,so i don't have to carry some dead weight that needs constant healing.

When i play a caster it's to kjeal not hjeal.

I"m not missing anything. I'm just taking the "your a WF, should it really matter" stance. Simply, in your case, if you are fed up, then just don't do it.

Also, being able to solo 1-20 on a sorc is a feat, but not that great of one. I feel bad for those that do not know the true power of duos like a WF caster/tank. But hey, solo to your hearts content, ddo is good for both solo and group.

I personally TR'd from a WF to a drow, and I'm happy to recon my fellow WF. But that is me. One extra body out there keeping mobs off me.

[Mentor61]

I"m not missing anything. I'm just taking the "your a WF, should it really matter" stance. Simply, in your case, if you are fed up, then just don't do it.

Also, being able to solo 1-20 on a sorc is a feat, but not that great of one. I feel bad for those that do not know the true power of duos like a WF caster/tank. But hey, solo to your hearts content, ddo is good for both solo and group.

I personally TR'd from a WF to a drow, and I'm happy to recon my fellow WF. But that is me. One extra body out there keeping mobs off me.

Possibly.But if i have just enough sp to blow through a quest and keeping someone up costs me 10% mana then i don't have enough to actually get to end or shrine.X10 if it's a WF barb sponge.

[Bunker]

Possibly.But if i have just enough sp to blow through a quest and keeping someone up costs me 10% mana then i don't have enough to actually get to end or shrine.X10 if it's a WF barb sponge.

Mentor: Play a sorc. Better yet play a WF sorc, and then come back and comment.

[Mentor61]

Mentor: Play a sorc. Better yet play a WF sorc, and then come back and comment.

Leveled one on thelanis to 16 then 20,leveled a 28 human on cannith,tr'd into a wf 34 pointer tr'd again as a human 36 pointer.What was that again?

[Kadran]

Simple solution? Tell them to heal themselves, or bring someone who is dedicated to healing. You are self-sufficient. That does not mean a babysitter. Screw them.

[Cyr]

OP there is no excuse for a warforged without healers friend. There are only two places where you SHOULD be healing a warforged in raids. 1) VoD with warforged as main tank (by no means the best way to run the raid fyi, but many do) 2) ToD with warforged on Jailer, or warforged on Sully

Otherwise, they should have enough healer's friend and healing enhancements to be healed just fine by the divines and in raids that usually means masses when it matters.

[Danmor]

As someone who plays mainly divine healers I find this whole thread very amusing.
Clerics/FvS can kill stuff too ... if they don't have to watch red bars all the time.