Stop Dumb Changes

[mashedpotato82]

dont cater to all these mmo'ers coming over to ddo try to have it be the other mmo they play. this game is getting mutilated to where its going to be copy infringment to call it d&d...

[Hokiewa]

could you be any more vague?

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Writing Actionable Feedback FAIL.

Garth

[mashedpotato82]

yes it was vague wasnt it?
okay since i dont feel like writing something essay length, heres the most recent thing ive found out.
a few days ago i got this +1 dagger with frost and puncturing, nice (i think to myself) con damage. taking down higher hp critters should be a little easier with thier con getting cut.
then later that day i see on the forum that despite con reducing to 0 monsters will still have 80% of thier hp because of 'monster durability', the mirror for heroic durability only bigger. con reducing to 0 = death, or should...

[Vordax]

yes it was vague wasnt it?
okay since i dont feel like writing something essay length, heres the most recent thing ive found out.
a few days ago i got this +1 dagger with frost and puncturing, nice (i think to myself) con damage. taking down higher hp critters should be a little easier with thier con getting cut.
then later that day i see on the forum that despite con reducing to 0 monsters will still have 80% of thier hp because of 'monster durability', the mirror for heroic durability only bigger. con reducing to 0 = death, or should...

This wasn't done because of people coming from other MMO's, it was done because con damaging opponents to death was trivializing the content.

Vordax

[Junts]

yes it was vague wasnt it?
okay since i dont feel like writing something essay length, heres the most recent thing ive found out.
a few days ago i got this +1 dagger with frost and puncturing, nice (i think to myself)
con damage taking down higher hp critters should be a little easier with thier con getting cut. then later that day i see on the forum that despite con reducing to 0 monsters will still have 80% of thier hp because of 'monster durability', the mirror for heroic durability only bigger. con reducing to 0 = death, or should...

It was that way until very recently. Know what happened?

Lets pick a monster and call him Monster A. He is an ordinary monster in a raid. he has 1500 hit points, which is not all htat many for a monster in a raid. he has a constitution score of 24.

I could take my raid loot greensteel mineral2 Khopesh, which does 40-50 damage per swing, plus 2d6 holy and 1d4 slicing and crits for 130ish 20% of the time, and hit him until he's dead


Alternately, I could wield a Wounding Rapier of Puncturing, which does 1 con damage every hit and 1d6 more on critical hits.

Which do you think kills Monster A faster? Its the rapier.

Now consider what happens when Monster A goes up to 5000 hit points on elite difficulty .... but has the same con because otherwise his fort save would be in the 80s. Now which weapon is faster?

The end result was that the only weapon wanted for a non-boss mob was a wounding of puncturing rapier, unless the mob was immune to con damage (undead/construct). It did not produce very good game play. It was changed after wounding rapiers of puncturing were 20 times more valuable than anything else in the game, and even barbarian s were built piercing-specced around rapiers because itw as better than killing things with an axe and strength.

[RATRACE931]

yes it was vague wasnt it?
okay since i dont feel like writing something essay length, heres the most recent thing ive found out.
a few days ago i got this +1 dagger with frost and puncturing, nice (i think to myself) con damage. taking down higher hp critters should be a little easier with thier con getting cut.
then later that day i see on the forum that despite con reducing to 0 monsters will still have 80% of thier hp because of 'monster durability', the mirror for heroic durability only bigger. con reducing to 0 = death, or should...

This is the "Most Recent" thing you have found out? This was widely debated long before your oh so recent Join Date. I don't see how this pertains to you OP, as this is a DDO and a DDO ONLY issue. Wounding/Punct was altered because it was seen as overpowered. If you cant offer some exact point of what is bothering you much less a way to improve the game please keep your mouth, or at least your fingers, silent.

[Letrii]

Oh sure, let's throw the rules out the window because it trivializes content. Who really cares if it makes things easier? Personally, I play for fun not for the challenge.

[toughguyjoe]

Oh sure, let's throw the rules out the window because it trivializes content. Who really cares if it makes things easier? Personally, I play for fun not for the challenge.

Easy games bore people. they might not bore you, but that puts you in a minority. Sorry son.

[Junts]

Oh sure, let's throw the rules out the window because it trivializes content. Who really cares if it makes things easier? Personally, I play for fun not for the challenge.

Would it be fun if your monk was worthless and unwanted for all high-level questing because it's unable to use a puncturing weapon at all, since there are no piercing monk weapons, and even if they were, the crit ranges would be so bad no one would want you anyway?

[Letrii]

They need to add more core weapons then. Sai is a piercing monk weapon.

[TreknaQudane]

They need to add more core weapons then. Sai is a piercing monk weapon.

Actually, No

Edit:
Just to throw it out there....

A Sai in 3.5 is a Bludgeoning weapon that does 1d4 damage and only crits on a 20 for double damage.

A Siangham however is a piercing weapon that does 1d6 damage and only crits on a 20... for double damage.

There is a reason there was no demand for Wounding of Puncturing picks.

[Soulken]

Oh sure, let's throw the rules out the window because it trivializes content. Who really cares if it makes things easier? Personally, I play for fun not for the challenge.

Actually I think those kind of weapons worked better here then they did in pnp, and for me an easy cheat isnt fun.

[Letrii]

Actually, No

Edit:
Just to throw it out there....

A Sai in 3.5 is a Bludgeoning weapon that does 1d4 damage and only crits on a 20 for double damage.

A Siangham however is a piercing weapon that does 1d6 damage and only crits on a 20... for double damage.

There is a reason there was no demand for Wounding of Puncturing picks.

My monk in PnP never uses weapons, must have gotten the two weapons confused.

[Junts]

Sure, you can have a wounding of puncturing 20/x2 weapon .. still no one will want you in their group.

Trust me, I -had- wounding of puncturing rapiers/etc, and the game is a lot more fun this way, as much as I miss my 20 str bard being able to beat fighters/barbs/paladins in killcount regularly, it was stupid.

[Letrii]

People actually pay attention to the kill count?

[sirdanile]

USED to pay attention to the kill count, cause if your wizard was killin more stuff in melee than the barbarian somethin is wrong.

[Junts]

People actually pay attention to the kill count?

People pay attention to getting the quest done; if you cant kill anything, there's not exactly incentive to bring you instead of someone who, you know .. can.

[Hendrik]

Oh sure, let's throw the rules out the window because it trivializes content. Who really cares if it makes things easier? Personally, I play for fun not for the challenge.

Funny how people want to use the rules when it is to their advantage and yet ignore them when it does not.

You may want to at least familiarize yourself with the game that DDO is based off of.

[Mani]

dont cater to all these mmo'ers coming over to ddo try to have it be the other mmo they play. this game is getting mutilated to where its going to be copy infringment to call it d&d...

Another satisfied free to play customer….
Thanks for the nerfs Turbine!