How many Shroud LFMs?

[Strakeln]

Strake,
maybe you ain't been PUGing enough lately. I joined shroud last night posted by a solid player, with a mix of about half known players and half unknowns(to me anyway). We almost failed in pt3 and pt5 (would have had trouble on pt4 if Harry didn't bug). We had a locked 5x5 with the wall up and it made 3 rounds before we got it solved and to be honest I wasn't sure we'd get it solved. In tells with the leader, we both agreed there was plenty of DPS but a significant amount of players we simply unfamiliar with how to do the various parts. One player didn't even realize there were underwater chests in pt3. I think, given the huge influx of new and returning players this is going to be a common occurence, as many folks are finally shroud ready or close. You don't run in full on "pick up" PUGs much so you probably don't even remember what the wall looks like. ;p

*edit* everyone has to get a few runs under their belt before they can "know" the shroud, there are a lot "first or second timers" out there now, and their numbers are not decreasing...

Uhhhh... dude? What are you talking about?

1) I was responding to someone talking about "wall duty" in part 2 of the Shroud.

2) Very few people PUG more than I do. I've only been in one or two "guild/friend only" Shroud run, that only one I remember was the DULG Shroud run. Are you talking about someone else?

3) The Shroud just reopened yesterday, so even if I hadn't been in a single pug in three weeks...

[NXPlasmid]

Uhhhh... dude? What are you talking about?

1) I was responding to someone talking about "wall duty" in part 2 of the Shroud.

2) Very few people PUG more than I do. I've only been in one or two "guild/friend only" Shroud run, that only one I remember was the DULG Shroud run. Are you talking about someone else?

3) The Shroud just reopened yesterday, so even if I hadn't been in a single pug in three weeks...

no need to take offense, easy man. You know a lot of major players, you ARE a major player, which helps any PUG you lead or are in. I wasn't trying to bust yer nuts. perhaps I missinterpreted your comment, which I took to mean, "huh, there's a wall in part3" as sort of a joke and comment that you don't have to worry about the wall coming up.

[NXPlasmid]

I may actually skip the Shroud for the first day or two it's back, or maybe just run it at non-peak hours. I'm sure it's going to be laggy as hell and I don't want or need that frustration.

BTW I don't think that instanced gaming works that way. My guess is it doesn't matter how many shroud instances are being run at any given time as far as lag is concerned. Total server load is probably more significant (caveat: my actual knowledge on this is rather weak)

[Strakeln]

no need to take offense, easy man. You know a lot of major players, you ARE a major player, which helps any PUG you lead or are in. I wasn't trying to bust yer nuts. perhaps I missinterpreted your comment, which I took to mean, "huh, there's a wall in part3" as sort of a joke and comment that you don't have to worry about the wall coming up.

I'm not offended, I was trying to clarify my comment and clear up your misconceptions regarding my playstyle. More liberal smiley usage required, evidently.

[Emili]

BTW I don't think that instanced gaming works that way. My guess is it doesn't matter how many shroud instances are being run at any given time as far as lag is concerned. Total server load is probably more significant (caveat: my actual knowledge on this is rather weak)

Yes it stands to reason each instance applies more overhead... even for those not in it.

server load in players... instant loads in rooms maps... spells mob movement etc. This all adds up to taxing the hardware and software systems... database fetches... every single character on, item in it's inventory, mob, spell active all use memory, all animations and number crunching and movement and redraw all take.

Why do you think some people dislike otto's sphere in part four shroud, or have you ever left the number of mobs jumping out of portals increase? You'll notice a significant increase and probability of lag for many people in such case... also someone taxing the bloody server in one spot affects us all... ever have nine or ten market instances going? Instance one may be laggy as heck and instance ten while only 10-20 people in it is still not up to the same performance of 10-20 people because instance one is still eating cycles and memory that instance ten cannot have.

[Emili]

I'm not offended, I was trying to clarify my comment and clear up your misconceptions regarding my playstyle. More liberal smiley usage required, evidently.

I remember that time you were on Creakin and sent me tell to join my shroud. You acted as if I'd possibly turn you away... truth be I would have taken 10 Creakin's should you been playing them all - even with him being as you put it the lower dps of your toons would still be a complete...

Fact is with Pints in group and part five I'll admit you'll find my melee occasional hide behind him using him somewhat as a shield while I swing away ... Altough barely waist high Pints takes the brunt of Harry's retalliation towards me a tad. I'll move out and flank a little then and take my beating back again in burst but Pints occasionally does afford me some relief. then again you do know I remember that one time when I was not in full battle armour and still in my sivler flame CS (the skirted one)... could swear there were moments some of our DPS let up - could be that short little stout lad facing and looking elsewhere rather then at Harry?

[kanbeki]

Yeah, what's this "wall duty" shtick all about?

on sarlona they use a tactic that is probably as old as the shroud itself, they will "sneak activate" to pull devil/orthon to nw corner, pull another mob to ne, and stick whatever is left behind a "wall" of tanks in the se, then then wait for a caster to drop a firewall on said walled mobs, sometimes even waiting for it to crit before the "wall" starts to attack these two mobs. Needless to say, running pug shrouds on sarlona is not very fun because of this over-complication.

[Xenus_Paradox]

Ran it last night... smooth like butter. Hardly any lag, and the portals seem to go down a lot faster.

Pulled a large scale and 2 large stones, too.

[BlackSteel]

on sarlona they use a tactic that is probably as old as the shroud itself, they will "sneak activate" to pull devil/orthon to nw corner, pull another mob to ne, and stick whatever is left behind a "wall" of tanks in the se, then then wait for a caster to drop a firewall on said walled mobs, sometimes even waiting for it to crit before the "wall" starts to attack these two mobs. Needless to say, running pug shrouds on sarlona is not very fun because of this over-complication.

*** is that? you mean that all 4 arent pulled out, with whole group charging in, and start yelling into the mic about which one to kill first; and end up gang banging each one in quick succession?

sarlona must love their casters to give them something other than bomb the crystal

[kanbeki]

*** is that? you mean that all 4 arent pulled out, with whole group charging in, and start yelling into the mic about which one to kill first; and end up gang banging each one in quick succession?

sarlona must love their casters to give them something other than bomb the crystal

I can only speak for pug shrouds, but pug quality on sarlona is very low, if you're not in a fair sized guild you don't go on any "good" runs

[Strakeln]

I remember that time you were on Creakin and sent me tell to join my shroud. You acted as if I'd possibly turn you away... truth be I would have taken 10 Creakin's should you been playing them all - even with him being the lower dps of your toons would still be a complete...

I sooo wanna /hug you right now...

Fact is with Pints in group and part five I'll admit you'll find my melee occasional hide behind him using him somewhat as a shield while I swing away ... Altough barely waist high Pints takes the brunt of Harry's retalliation towards me a tad. I'll move out and flank a little then and take my beating back again in burst but Pints occasionally does afford me some relief. then again you do know I remember that one time when I was not in full battle armour and still in my sivler flame CS (the skirted one)... could swear there were moments some of our DPS let up - could be that short little stout lad facing and looking elsewhere rather then at Harry?

Pints has made a career of trying to sneak a peek up the skirts of your various characters.

Which is pretty much what I'd be doing if we were to meet in RL

[Strakeln]

on sarlona they use a tactic that is probably as old as the shroud itself, they will "sneak activate" to pull devil/orthon to nw corner, pull another mob to ne, and stick whatever is left behind a "wall" of tanks in the se, then then wait for a caster to drop a firewall on said walled mobs, sometimes even waiting for it to crit before the "wall" starts to attack these two mobs. Needless to say, running pug shrouds on sarlona is not very fun because of this over-complication.

Oh my...

Thanks for the clarification. (I think! )

[sephiroth1084]

I sooo wanna /hug you right now...


Pints has made a career of trying to sneak a peek up the skirts of your various characters.

Which is pretty much what I'd be doing if we were to meet in RL

Strake, ever the gentleman!

[sephiroth1084]

on sarlona they use a tactic that is probably as old as the shroud itself, they will "sneak activate" to pull devil/orthon to nw corner, pull another mob to ne, and stick whatever is left behind a "wall" of tanks in the se, then then wait for a caster to drop a firewall on said walled mobs, sometimes even waiting for it to crit before the "wall" starts to attack these two mobs. Needless to say, running pug shrouds on sarlona is not very fun because of this over-complication.

Holy ****! I'll take the Khyberian, pull 3 to to NE, one to SE, kill everything, making sure the speedsters go down last, any day! It may go sideways from time to time, but it's simple, fast and fun (especially when it goes sideways).

[NXPlasmid]

on sarlona they use a tactic that is probably as old as the shroud itself, they will "sneak activate" to pull devil/orthon to nw corner, pull another mob to ne, and stick whatever is left behind a "wall" of tanks in the se, then then wait for a caster to drop a firewall on said walled mobs, sometimes even waiting for it to crit before the "wall" starts to attack these two mobs. Needless to say, running pug shrouds on sarlona is not very fun because of this over-complication.

Wow, just wow. Actually, it seems like most of the good guilds have gone underground on the raids and higher level content (except the new harbor stuff), either they aren't running battlefield or vale stuff, or they are fulling those runs with guildies and don't need to put up a general LFM. It's really tough to get into ToD or the flagging quests for that matter. I've been running lowbies a lot recently but I guess I'm gonna have to s_ck it up and put up my own LFMs for that stuff. that's gonna be interesting... something like the dumba$$ leading the blind or similar... maybe I'll just tag it with "bring your own everything"